JAHS Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Teancum said: This is an absolutely ludicrous development. I am perplexed and President Nelson's apparent obsessions with this. Is this really all God has to reveal to his new "prophet?" This is just one little thing he was inspired to correct at the present time. You really think this is all he has been thinking about? Do you follow his day to day routine? What about all the new things presented at the last conference and just wait till this weekends conference. 2 Link to comment
bluebell Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, Teancum said: Well Scott maybe for once you should challange your paradigms. It is silly. And stupid. And if this is all the newly "anointed prophet" has to offer then oh well, it is silly. With all that is going on in the world if this is all the Mormon (uhh oh I am sinning mow by using Mormon) has to offer I feel quite well in consluding LDS prophets and apostles have little to offer us beyond what the common human can conclude on religious issues. I don’t think it’s silly or stupid (or a matter of sinning). It’s also obviously not all church has to offer either. By small and simple things... 3 Link to comment
CV75 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: Nah. The pattern is already set with Orchestra at Temple Square. But that makes sense... wait... unless it travels? If so, it should be From also... "Here is the The Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square, which has come to your town to perform," kinda implies that Temple Square is where it belongs... sounds a bit parochial to me... How about The Tabernacle Choir: In the World But Of Temple Square? Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Avatar4321 said: Let’s get our shovels and snow boots out cause the blizzard has begun Huh? Link to comment
Avatar4321 Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Teancum said: This is an absolutely ludicrous development. I am perplexed and President Nelson's apparent obsessions with this. Is this really all God has to reveal to his new "prophet?" Why don’t you prayerfully watch conference and find out? 1 Link to comment
Avatar4321 Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Huh? I’m alluding to the rumors that the changes at this conference will make last conference look like a flurry to a blizzard 1 Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Teancum said: Well Scott maybe for once you should challange your paradigms. It is silly. And stupid. And if this is all the newly "anointed prophet" has to offer then oh well, it is silly. With all that is going on in the world if this is all the Mormon (uhh oh I am sinning mow by using Mormon) has to offer I feel quite well in consluding LDS prophets and apostles have little to offer us beyond what the common human can conclude on religious issues. It is always helpful to distinguish substance from the window dressing and ornamentation. Meantime, if the Lord for some reason decided to have his prophet require LDS Church employees and Church-owned organizations to use a particular type of name, we ought to respect that. After all, it does not require you or me to use such references. We are free to continue to use the more convenient short names. It's called free agency, which I hope you don't consider silly or stupid. 1 Link to comment
Storm Rider Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Alan said: Does anyone else think this is a bit silly? I think it depends on your position regarding the value or impact of words and if you have any belief in living prophets and apostles. If not, then you can think anything you like. 2 Link to comment
Nofear Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I was perplexed by the youtube channel and figured that https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTabernacleChoir was already taken so https://www.youtube.com/TheTabernacleChoiratTempleSquare had to be used instead. I would not be surprised if the Church offered to buy the youtube channel from the current owner. Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 53 minutes ago, CV75 said: But that makes sense... wait... unless it travels? If so, it should be From also... "Here is the The Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square, which has come to your town to perform," kinda implies that Temple Square is where it belongs... sounds a bit parochial to me... How about The Tabernacle Choir: In the World But Of Temple Square? The orchestra travels everywhere the choir does. And there is not a thing wrong with using at as the preposition, implying that they are the resident choir and orchestra at Temple Square. The choir and orchestra spend only a fraction of their time on tour. Do you live outside of Utah? If so, you are displaying a bit of reverse provincialism. Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Teancum said: Well Scott maybe for once you should challange your paradigms. It is silly. And stupid. And if this is all the newly "anointed prophet" has to offer then oh well, it is silly. With all that is going on in the world if this is all the Mormon (uhh oh I am sinning mow by using Mormon) has to offer I feel quite well in consluding LDS prophets and apostles have little to offer us beyond what the common human can conclude on religious issues. Who said that is “all [he] has to offer? That is a fatuous assumption. 3 Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Teancum said: This is an absolutely ludicrous development. I am perplexed and President Nelson's apparent obsessions with this. Is this really all God has to reveal to his new "prophet?" You and I rarely agree, but this is a bit pointless. Apparently the Church is in such perfect order all we need are a few tweaks. Moses had to lead an entire nation, Noah built a boat to preserve mankind, Brigham led thousands across the plains, Joseph communed with heavenly beings and established eternal ordinances. And the biggest thing, the most pressing issue needing heaven inspired prophetic direction from the prophet is what should we rename the choir. An announcement that maybe roughly 1 out of 10 people referring to the choir will even heed. Apparently we're Millennium ready. Bring it on. Edited October 6, 2018 by JLHPROF 1 Link to comment
carbon dioxide Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) I don't like the new name. Maybe I will place my flag in the middle. How about 'The singers formally known as the Mormon Tabernacle Choir" If Prince can do it, we can do it too. Edited October 6, 2018 by carbon dioxide Link to comment
Calm Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nofear said: I was perplexed by the youtube channel and figured that https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTabernacleChoir was already taken so https://www.youtube.com/TheTabernacleChoiratTempleSquare had to be used instead. I would not be surprised if the Church offered to buy the youtube channel from the current owner. 50 subscribers....seems unlikely the owner wouldn't be willing to give it up. Add-on: There are other Tabernacle Choirs, include some trademarked (Brooklyn and Harlem). Using a location seems to be following a tradition. Temple Square Tabernacle Choir might seem too much of a change, while shortening the main part to just Tabernacle Choir is natural and then when needed "at Temple Square" makes sure no confusion among nonmembers in music stores. Edited October 6, 2018 by Calm Link to comment
Calm Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 59 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: An announcement that maybe roughly 1 out of 10 people referring to the choir will even heed. I bet a lot of Saints already shorten it to Tabernacle Choir at least in speech. I know I do. Everyone I know already knows what Church I am talking about if I say this, so no need for "Mormon". Otoh, in most casual conversations I won't go to saying "MoTab" as outside of immediate family, I don't know how they would react. 3 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Calm said: I bet a lot of Saints already shorten it to Tabernacle Choir at least in speech. I know I do. Yeah, I don't think I've ever called it the 'Mormon Tabernacle Choir'. Too long. Link to comment
MiserereNobis Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) I've got sympathy for ya'll. It's hard to deal with name changes. I mean, when the Vatican, in 1985, changed the name of the inquisition from "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition" to "Congregation of the Faith" I feel like we lost something there... Edited October 6, 2018 by MiserereNobis 4 Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Yeah, I don't think I've ever called it the 'Mormon Tabernacle Choir'. Too long. We always did. But it was one word...mormontabernaclechoir...like Mahonrimoriancumr. Edited October 6, 2018 by JLHPROF 1 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Calm said: I bet a lot of Saints already shorten it to Tabernacle Choir at least in speech. I know I do. Everyone I know already knows what Church I am talking about if I say this, so no need for "Mormon". Otoh, in most casual conversations I won't go to saying "MoTab" as outside of immediate family, I don't know how they would react. I'm on the same page as you, I always just called it the Tabernacle Choir. And never called them the "MoTab". I kind of like the new name actually. It's brings good thoughts, and many know where Temple Square is, and if I remember right, it's the most visited place by tourists that visit Utah. Link to comment
strappinglad Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 If I might be so bold, while we are changing names, we could replace the word ' saints ' with something like congregants . Saints seems quite presumptuous, no? I mean, the vast majority of us are really very nice , but saints, a la the RCC thinking, we ain't. Link to comment
Thinking Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 10 hours ago, bluebell said: MoTab is dead, long live Tab. 1 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 26 minutes ago, strappinglad said: If I might be so bold, while we are changing names, we could replace the word ' saints ' with something like congregants . Saints seems quite presumptuous, no? I mean, the vast majority of us are really very nice , but saints, a la the RCC thinking, we ain't. The people of God were called saints anciently in the Church as founded by Christ. 2 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 37 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: The people of God were called saints anciently in the Church as founded by Christ. And when we understand what the word means, it's humbling. 4 Link to comment
Stargazer Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Alan said: Does anyone else think this is a bit silly? After due consideration and reflection, I think not. In fact, I'm very pleased with the change. I'm acquainted with more than a few members of the church (my late wife was one, and she would have welcomed this change) who did not like the word "Mormon" as an identifying epithet. I'm somewhat ambivalent, but I've never been particularly comfortable with being called a "Mormon". I suppose some people were somewhat perplexed at the change to "Community of Christ" from the original name "Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", but considering that the RLDS/CoC have become a more-or-less mainline Protestant denomination this was an excellent decision to have made. I'm sure that there were some RLDS folks who were dismayed by it -- and of course they have had breakaways because of the changes that came with the name. I wonder how many members are going to go inactive or request name removal because of this? Edited October 6, 2018 by Stargazer 2 Link to comment
Stargazer Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 11 hours ago, carbon dioxide said: I don't like the new name. Maybe I will place my flag in the middle. How about 'The singers formally known as the Mormon Tabernacle Choir" If Prince can do it, we can do it too. As long as they don't change the name to some unpronounceable syllable, I'm good with it. Link to comment
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