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Seems like the scriptures support ranking of certain things like sins (murder, sexual sin, etc.), which to me seems to suggest a specific amount of suffering required by the Savior in order to satisfy justice and provide forgiveness.
And in prayer: seems like our ancestors whose Temple work we give them the option to accept, can pray with more faith and more power after we complete their Temple work and they choose to accept it. No?
Seems like service (operationalized in the form of callings) might also be rank-able and quantifiable.
(Perhaps framing it as an objective event like the Second Coming would help: "Wickedness will not hasten it. Righteousness will not postpone it." - since service is an eternal process not an event, though - gives me another disconnect...
It is confusing to me then to realize that callings are not ranked and the fact that none of us "advance" in callings but instead, we progress in a nonlinear, individual path.
My wife said this is the case because we all come to earth to learn the same lessons but we learn them in different ways.
As a loyal spouse, I'm not allowed to question nor accept her advice on face value....but it seems to explain the disconnect my neurons so often confront.
Her ancestors who held callings for 20+ years, I suppose, simplified things: I was called to do x. That's what I'm doing until I'm released.
If any of you beautiful people could expound on these disconnects and my wife's wisdom, I'd be much obliged.
So if you were called over a period of 8 years in let us say a certain calling which you had reservations about but accepted anyway, at what point would you say no to future callings in the same certain calling area? If you said no to such a calling and then received a similar calling a few months later, what would you think? Not enough adults to call or inspiration coming back again? In all honesty when Auxiliary leaders make recommendations for certain callings in ward council/correlation mtg, is there further prayer/consideration/Spiritual guidance by Ward Leaders? I believe so and I hope so; just seems strange to get a calling quite similar to one I said no to a few months earlier.
I've heard that Sunbeams coteacher in a former ward I was in received seven no's in response to callings and I can't judge anyone who turned it down as I wasn't part of those callings' issuance. A friend of mine in college turned down a Primary call since she was a homemaker with three boys and said she needed a break.
The non-linear part makes sense; we all don't progress in the same order of callings...BUT it seems odd to me to have received such a similar calling in multiple wards over many years, in a chartered organization that I do not support.
So I'd appreciate a little illumination on this...
Callings aren't linear like each brother in the Church does not need to move from one calling to another such as: Elders quorum presidency, Young men's president, bishopric, stake presidency, mission presidency, Temple presidency, Area Authority, General Authority, Member of the Twelve, First Presidency, etc. right? Each sister doesn't need to progress from Primary to RS to stake primary to stake Primary and so forth, right? Following such a procession of callings does not demonstrate an increasing testimony nor acceptance of the gospel (which I love) anymore than say a random assortment of callings, right?
If so, would it not stand to reason then that in our post-mortal life that we may each progress on infinitely different paths of eternal progression? Would it not stand to reason that each of us followed an infinitely different path of premortal progression?
If so, how did we each end up at the same exact event: birth, death, eternal progression to godhood, etc. and God still be a God of order and not confusion?
On the other hand Satan proposed the plan where everyone does exactly the same thing, never varying, leading us to a progression-less mortality and post-mortality so of course we can't all proceed in callings in a prescribed order.
Since the gospel is true would it not behoove some of us to move to areas further out from large cities to serve in leadership positions in smaller branches that are short on priesthood? I've heard that some GA's regret that so many highly educated people live in UT instead of moving out and "lengthening they cords and strengthen thy stakes." If callings aren't linear, it does not truly behoove us to become unemplyed to strengthen a struggling branch...but if the gospel is true and it is, why would anythign else matter if we had sufficent faith?
I went to church today, and I rarely ever go. It's not that I don't believe or anything, it's just that I work from 6:30 in the morning till 10:30 at night. Normally it's only 4 days a week, but we're against application deadlines and so this week I worked 6 days, and there was substantial pressure to work on Sunday (though I declined).
I woke up with a headache, but at 8:30 my wife told me that my clothes were laid out for me. I looked at my Sunday best on the bed, got dressed, and off we went.
So I ended up in Gospel Principles. The instructor was talking about sacrifice, and towards the end of her lesson she showed a video on John Rowe Moyle. For those of you who don't know, he was part of the first handcart company to go to Salt Lake. A good number of people in his company died, and when he finally got to Salt Lake, he started a farm. He was, however, a stonecutter and he got the call to work on the temple in Salt Lake. So he would travel the 22 miles on foot because he couldn't spare the horse, work all week on the temple, and get back on Friday night around midnight so he could do his chores around the farm. I guess he never really saw his kids or wives (yeah he was poly). Finally, towards the end of his life, a cow kicked him, and he broke his leg. He had to have it amputated. So he carved himself a wooden one, and as soon as he was up and around, started hiking the 22 miles back to Salt Lake to continue working on the temple.
After the video was over, I wasn't going to say anything, but the teacher called on me and asked for my impressions of the video. Well, I thought the guy was rather foolish. I would have spent more time with my wives, thank you very much, and if they'd wanted me to work on the temple, I'd have done what Moses did. I would have said no and waited for God to sweeten the deal. I said as much in church. There was this awkward silence, and then the teacher called on someone else who gave the standard response like "What dedication and faith the guy had." Well, if he had that much faith, why didn't he just have one of the apostles miracle heal his leg rather than having it amputated?
After the meeting, my wife said she really didn't understand me and didn't get why I was so rebellious and contrary. Is it that bad to expect God to kick down his fair share of the deal? Jonah and Moses said no initially so why shouldn't I?
I apologize, I should have made this topic "for those 50+ years" The idea was to get people who lived through this part of LDS history as adults.
I am a convert and don't really know much about large LDS social settings in Utah, Idaho etc. I am asking to get an idea of where people stood and how someone could express personal revelation without rocking the boat of LDS leadership.
The year is 1970...8 years before blacks regain the Preisthood...
Did you know it was going to change?
If you did know, could you talk about it openly? If so, what resistence did you recieve? Where did the resistence come from?
Would you call it personal revelation?
Were there many taken aback from the 1978 change? Did any leave the church because of it?