Brian Hauglid Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Not the Kantian one, but the one I've seen used in apologetics. Something about creating plausibility so faith can flourish. Was it Maxwell? I've been wracking my brain. I need the quote for some writing I'm currently doing. Help, please. Link to comment
rongo Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) What no one shows the ability to defend is quickly abandoned. Rational argument does not create belief, but it maintains a climate in which belief may flourish. – Austin Farrar It is often quoted by way of C.S. Lewis in apologetics. It's an excellent quote. Edited September 13, 2018 by rongo 4 Link to comment
Brian Hauglid Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Many thanks, rongo! Link to comment
stemelbow Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I'm not a fan of the quote. Quite often rational argument undermines one's beliefs. More and more, it seems, rational argument produces less room for belief. Belief flourishes only when, as I've seen, rational argument is ignored or misunderstood. Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 hours ago, stemelbow said: More and more, it seems, rational argument produces less room for belief. When I see what many people on this forum assume to be 'rational' argument, I'm not surprised this is sometimes the outcome. 4 Link to comment
Storm Rider Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Rational argument is so rarely seen in public discourse. Too often the discussion is thought to be - "Listen, I am telling you what is right because I know what I am talking about." When others do not conform to personal opinions known or perceived as rational thought then we assume they are irrational and not capable of seeing reality; that they are closed-minded individuals of faith who do not understand or ignore the really elevated knowledge that man has produced. 1 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 7 hours ago, stemelbow said: I'm not a fan of the quote. Quite often rational argument undermines one's beliefs. More and more, it seems, rational argument produces less room for belief. Belief flourishes only when, as I've seen, rational argument is ignored or misunderstood. Rational arguments about faith are rare because most people who want to participate in them are arguing in bad faith. This problem is not limited to religion. 1 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 12:57 PM, rongo said: What no one shows the ability to defend is quickly abandoned. Rational argument does not create belief, but it maintains a climate in which belief may flourish. – Austin Farrar It is often quoted by way of C.S. Lewis in apologetics. It's an excellent quote. And by Daniel C. Peterson. It was something of an unofficial motto for the Maxwell Institute while he was there. These days, I’m not so sure. Link to comment
Avatar4321 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 7:32 PM, Hamba Tuhan said: When I see what many people on this forum assume to be 'rational' argument, I'm not surprised this is sometimes the outcome. I concur. A major problem we have in the states is that so few people actually know what reason is, but they think they are using it Link to comment
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