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7 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Please CFR that Bishop is in dementia, I know what dementia looks like, having had my mother struck with the horrible disease at a young age.

See his son's statements quoted in the standard examiner article I linked to and quoted above wrt Weber State issues.

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9 minutes ago, Danzo said:

So you are an "ends justifies the means" sort of person.

 

I just think one needs to punished ..and laws need to be changed to do this...if there is a coverup...it should always be exposed.

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1 minute ago, Jeanne said:

I just think one needs to punished ..and laws need to be changed to do this...if there is a coverup...it should always be exposed.

Cover-up? Just what would such a cover-up look like?

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5 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

I just think one needs to punished ..and laws need to be changed to do this...if there is a coverup...it should always be exposed.

I think that is dangerous.  

Until someone's punished (doesn't matter if guilty or not) you will not be satisfied.

That attitude is responsible for many innocent people in jail.

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Just now, Jeanne said:

It looks just like a confession and then ignored..repented..advanced.  Kinda what you see in the papers.

You object to the concept of repentance? Or that people in responsible positions might be in need of it from time to time?

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1 hour ago, USU78 said:

You object to the concept of repentance? Or that people in responsible positions might be in need of it from time to time?

Well  apparently...Bishop's repentance process didn't change anything..I don't object to repentance..don't put words in my mouth..but he didn't repent did he?

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1 hour ago, Jeanne said:

It looks just like a confession and then ignored..repented..advanced.  Kinda what you see in the papers.

If you read transcript, you read that Bishop admit he tried to fix himself and never sought outside help. So can we assume he never confessed a transgression that would indicate he should not be in a posistion of authority over women? 

This post was onky to address the claim tbat confessed behavior was ignored.

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3 hours ago, Jeanne said:

she shouldn't have to do what she did..what else could she do ???  Everything else had not worked.

She didn't have to lie as well to missionaries and others to find his address.  All she had to do was use whitepages.com  I was able to find it quite quickly knowing his wife's names from the books.

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On 8/16/2018 at 4:10 PM, Calm said:

She didn't have to lie as well to missionaries and others to find his address.  All she had to do was use whitepages.com  I was able to find it quite quickly knowing his wife's names from the books.

 

She and NNN showed up a F&T meeting, she was escorted from the stand. NNN lamented that he didn't get to hear her give your "talk" - I do not know why he used the word talk. I also do not know if he was on Church property at the time, - after he was arrested at a Temple, NNN posted on his FB that he would never step foot on Church property....hmmmm.  Hopefully, the Church will file trespass against both of them.  I wonder what her Attorney thinks of her antics of showing up a former defendants ward to make a spectacle. 

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3 hours ago, provoman said:

 

She and NNN showed up a F&T meeting, she was escorted from the stand. NNN lamented that he didn't get to hear her give your "talk" - I do not know why he used the word talk. I also do not know if he was on Church property at the time, - after he was arrested at a Temple, NNN posted on his FB that he would never step foot on Church property....hmmmm.  Hopefully, the Church will file trespass against both of them.  I wonder what her Attorney thinks of her antics of showing up a former defendants ward to make a spectacle. 

 

Video of incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zebdegSDI&feature=youtu.be

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3 minutes ago, Calm said:

Haven't watched the whole video yet.  She goes to Bishop's former ward (assuming the report he resigned is accurate) and she and Norton are acting like it is a game.  I halfway expected they would start skipping.  Her credibility just plummeted again with that posture.

I watched it. What a lame stunt. Isn't there a way to turn off the microphone? She is right that they cannot physically remove her (as far as I understand the law, someone could correct me).

Who's the guy with her?

Her lawyer needs to tell her to shut up and stop ruining the chances of her case.

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On 8/13/2018 at 11:49 AM, Tacenda said:

And what's up with having the federal judge have a stake in it such as his membership in the church. Easy to see how he was doing his duty of protecting the church, IMO. 

What else do you expect in Utah?  There is no respect for either separation of church and state or conflict of interest.

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“You’re assaulting me!” “You’re in my personal space!” That poor bishopric. If that was going to work she would need to not act as if she was either drunk or mentally disturbed.

Not knowing who she was, I wonder if there should be a procedure to evacuate the chapel. My first concern is that crazy lady would pull out a gun at the end of her bizarre speech. Did she miss the memo that Bishop resigned his membership so no one there was harboring him? 

 

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23 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

I watched it. What a lame stunt. Isn't there a way to turn off the microphone? She is right that they cannot physically remove her (as far as I understand the law, someone could correct me).

Who's the guy with her?

Her lawyer needs to tell her to shut up and stop ruining the chances of her case.

It might have been her cellphone recording, but if not they should have turned the mic off, I agree.

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2 minutes ago, Calm said:

It might have been her cellphone recording, but if not they should have turned the mic off, I agree.

That would have been so unexpected I can see how they would have been so stunned and worried about how to get her out that they wouldn’t have thought about it. Which means that it is now time to have a procedure in place. 

I can only wonder if she thinks her lawsuit is past hope or her lawyer is trying to extricate himself from her ongoing train wreck. What in the world would motivate her to do that after the last disaster she created. 

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I was expecting them to turn it off and for her to start yelling, which I think would have disturbed the kids even more.  I think they did the best they could....though I think it might have been better to have two older women be the ones who escorted her off, but that would not have been something that occurred to most.  If I was in the congregation and saw her walk in and go up to the mike (since it was just 5 minutes since they had been outside), I think I would have leaned over and told my husband to get up there to help rather than going myself.

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8 minutes ago, juliann said:

That would have been so unexpected I can see how they would have been so stunned and worried about how to get her out that they wouldn’t have thought about it. Which means that it is now time to have a procedure in place. 

I can only wonder if she thinks her lawsuit is past hope or her lawyer is trying to extricate himself from her ongoing train wreck. What in the world would motivate her to do that after the last disaster she created. 

 Looking at the first of the video and how much fun she appears to be having with Norton, I would not be surprised if he talked her into it.  It is coming across to me more and more she just wants the attention.

It diminishes the press conference because it shows the poise she had there had less to do with how she felt and more to do with how she wanted to appear, given she started out in much the same tone and delivery in this case.

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3 hours ago, provoman said:

She and NNN showed up a F&T meeting, she was escorted from the stand. NNN lamented that he didn't get to hear her give your "talk" - I do not know why he used the word talk. I also do not know if he was on Church property at the time, - after he was arrested at a Temple, NNN posted on his FB that he would never step foot on Church property....hmmmm.  Hopefully, the Church will file trespass against both of them.  I wonder what her Attorney thinks of her antics of showing up a former defendants ward to make a spectacle. 

Wow.  She's really going out of her way to alienate and offend members of the Church who may otherwise have been more willing to express sympathy and solidarity with her.

Thanks,

-Smac

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Smac...and other lawyers or trained in the law...

Is there any validity to the claim of assault because the bishop (assuming it was him) held her arm and touched her back and essentially pushed her away from the pulpit?

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1 hour ago, Calm said:

If Young supports her in this, he has  completely lost his credibility for me.

He can speak for himself on whether or not he does, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

Someone on Reddit boasted last night that s/he had stood up in church yesterday and borne 'testimony' on the correctness of 'masterbation [sic]'.

Sam's response: 'Very proud of you. As more and more people openly say the emperor has no close [sic], eventually all will see his nakedness. That's when things will finally change to a rational reasonableness'.

Apparently, in Sam's world, it's perfectly fine to discuss explicit sexual matters at church as long as one speaks of them approvingly ...

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