USU78 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Please CFR that Bishop is in dementia, I know what dementia looks like, having had my mother struck with the horrible disease at a young age. See his son's statements quoted in the standard examiner article I linked to and quoted above wrt Weber State issues. Link to comment
Jeanne Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Danzo said: So you are an "ends justifies the means" sort of person. I just think one needs to punished ..and laws need to be changed to do this...if there is a coverup...it should always be exposed. Link to comment
USU78 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Jeanne said: I just think one needs to punished ..and laws need to be changed to do this...if there is a coverup...it should always be exposed. Cover-up? Just what would such a cover-up look like? Link to comment
Danzo Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jeanne said: I just think one needs to punished ..and laws need to be changed to do this...if there is a coverup...it should always be exposed. I think that is dangerous. Until someone's punished (doesn't matter if guilty or not) you will not be satisfied. That attitude is responsible for many innocent people in jail. 1 Link to comment
Jeanne Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, USU78 said: Cover-up? Just what would such a cover-up look like? It looks just like a confession and then ignored..repented..advanced. Kinda what you see in the papers. Link to comment
USU78 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, Jeanne said: It looks just like a confession and then ignored..repented..advanced. Kinda what you see in the papers. You object to the concept of repentance? Or that people in responsible positions might be in need of it from time to time? Link to comment
Jeanne Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, USU78 said: You object to the concept of repentance? Or that people in responsible positions might be in need of it from time to time? Well apparently...Bishop's repentance process didn't change anything..I don't object to repentance..don't put words in my mouth..but he didn't repent did he? Link to comment
provoman Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeanne said: It looks just like a confession and then ignored..repented..advanced. Kinda what you see in the papers. If you read transcript, you read that Bishop admit he tried to fix himself and never sought outside help. So can we assume he never confessed a transgression that would indicate he should not be in a posistion of authority over women? This post was onky to address the claim tbat confessed behavior was ignored. Edited August 16, 2018 by provoman 2 Link to comment
Calm Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jeanne said: she shouldn't have to do what she did..what else could she do ??? Everything else had not worked. She didn't have to lie as well to missionaries and others to find his address. All she had to do was use whitepages.com I was able to find it quite quickly knowing his wife's names from the books. Edited August 16, 2018 by Calm 2 Link to comment
provoman Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 8/16/2018 at 4:10 PM, Calm said: She didn't have to lie as well to missionaries and others to find his address. All she had to do was use whitepages.com I was able to find it quite quickly knowing his wife's names from the books. She and NNN showed up a F&T meeting, she was escorted from the stand. NNN lamented that he didn't get to hear her give your "talk" - I do not know why he used the word talk. I also do not know if he was on Church property at the time, - after he was arrested at a Temple, NNN posted on his FB that he would never step foot on Church property....hmmmm. Hopefully, the Church will file trespass against both of them. I wonder what her Attorney thinks of her antics of showing up a former defendants ward to make a spectacle. Link to comment
Lemuel Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 hours ago, provoman said: She and NNN showed up a F&T meeting, she was escorted from the stand. NNN lamented that he didn't get to hear her give your "talk" - I do not know why he used the word talk. I also do not know if he was on Church property at the time, - after he was arrested at a Temple, NNN posted on his FB that he would never step foot on Church property....hmmmm. Hopefully, the Church will file trespass against both of them. I wonder what her Attorney thinks of her antics of showing up a former defendants ward to make a spectacle. Video of incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zebdegSDI&feature=youtu.be Link to comment
Popular Post Calm Posted September 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) Haven't watched the whole video yet. She goes to Bishop's former ward (assuming the report he resigned is accurate) and she and Norton are acting like it is a game. I halfway expected they would start skipping. Her credibility just plummeted again with that posture. add-on: There are kids in the audience, you can hear the babies and toddlers in the background, and she starts accusing leadership of protecting a sexual predator in their ward. Starts sharing how he raped her in the basement of the MTC. And then resists when they ask her to leave saying they are assaulting her. That is outright disgusting, but guess it is okay in her view to traumatized kids for her own benefit. Here is someone who is supposedly extremely upset about youth having talks about sexuality with bishops and she is subjecting kids younger than 8 to a discussion about violent sexual behaviour without regard to their own wishes or the wishes of their parents. She is a pure self centered hypocrite and Norton is as well and if Young supports her in this, he has completely lost his credibility for me. Edited September 3, 2018 by Calm 11 Link to comment
MiserereNobis Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Calm said: Haven't watched the whole video yet. She goes to Bishop's former ward (assuming the report he resigned is accurate) and she and Norton are acting like it is a game. I halfway expected they would start skipping. Her credibility just plummeted again with that posture. I watched it. What a lame stunt. Isn't there a way to turn off the microphone? She is right that they cannot physically remove her (as far as I understand the law, someone could correct me). Who's the guy with her? Her lawyer needs to tell her to shut up and stop ruining the chances of her case. 1 Link to comment
Truth2Tell Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 11:49 AM, Tacenda said: And what's up with having the federal judge have a stake in it such as his membership in the church. Easy to see how he was doing his duty of protecting the church, IMO. What else do you expect in Utah? There is no respect for either separation of church and state or conflict of interest. Link to comment
juliann Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 “You’re assaulting me!” “You’re in my personal space!” That poor bishopric. If that was going to work she would need to not act as if she was either drunk or mentally disturbed. Not knowing who she was, I wonder if there should be a procedure to evacuate the chapel. My first concern is that crazy lady would pull out a gun at the end of her bizarre speech. Did she miss the memo that Bishop resigned his membership so no one there was harboring him? 3 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Lovely. We’ve been repeatedly told on this forum that there is something wrong with us if we don’t take this woman and her fellow travellers seriously. Indeed. 4 Link to comment
Calm Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: I watched it. What a lame stunt. Isn't there a way to turn off the microphone? She is right that they cannot physically remove her (as far as I understand the law, someone could correct me). Who's the guy with her? Her lawyer needs to tell her to shut up and stop ruining the chances of her case. It might have been her cellphone recording, but if not they should have turned the mic off, I agree. Link to comment
Calm Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) Nvm, referring to older post. Edited September 3, 2018 by Calm Link to comment
juliann Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Calm said: It might have been her cellphone recording, but if not they should have turned the mic off, I agree. That would have been so unexpected I can see how they would have been so stunned and worried about how to get her out that they wouldn’t have thought about it. Which means that it is now time to have a procedure in place. I can only wonder if she thinks her lawsuit is past hope or her lawyer is trying to extricate himself from her ongoing train wreck. What in the world would motivate her to do that after the last disaster she created. 3 Link to comment
Calm Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) I was expecting them to turn it off and for her to start yelling, which I think would have disturbed the kids even more. I think they did the best they could....though I think it might have been better to have two older women be the ones who escorted her off, but that would not have been something that occurred to most. If I was in the congregation and saw her walk in and go up to the mike (since it was just 5 minutes since they had been outside), I think I would have leaned over and told my husband to get up there to help rather than going myself. Edited September 3, 2018 by Calm 1 Link to comment
Calm Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, juliann said: That would have been so unexpected I can see how they would have been so stunned and worried about how to get her out that they wouldn’t have thought about it. Which means that it is now time to have a procedure in place. I can only wonder if she thinks her lawsuit is past hope or her lawyer is trying to extricate himself from her ongoing train wreck. What in the world would motivate her to do that after the last disaster she created. Looking at the first of the video and how much fun she appears to be having with Norton, I would not be surprised if he talked her into it. It is coming across to me more and more she just wants the attention. It diminishes the press conference because it shows the poise she had there had less to do with how she felt and more to do with how she wanted to appear, given she started out in much the same tone and delivery in this case. Edited September 3, 2018 by Calm 1 Link to comment
smac97 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 hours ago, provoman said: She and NNN showed up a F&T meeting, she was escorted from the stand. NNN lamented that he didn't get to hear her give your "talk" - I do not know why he used the word talk. I also do not know if he was on Church property at the time, - after he was arrested at a Temple, NNN posted on his FB that he would never step foot on Church property....hmmmm. Hopefully, the Church will file trespass against both of them. I wonder what her Attorney thinks of her antics of showing up a former defendants ward to make a spectacle. Wow. She's really going out of her way to alienate and offend members of the Church who may otherwise have been more willing to express sympathy and solidarity with her. Thanks, -Smac Link to comment
Calm Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Smac...and other lawyers or trained in the law... Is there any validity to the claim of assault because the bishop (assuming it was him) held her arm and touched her back and essentially pushed her away from the pulpit? 1 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calm said: If Young supports her in this, he has completely lost his credibility for me. He can speak for himself on whether or not he does, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Someone on Reddit boasted last night that s/he had stood up in church yesterday and borne 'testimony' on the correctness of 'masterbation [sic]'. Sam's response: 'Very proud of you. As more and more people openly say the emperor has no close [sic], eventually all will see his nakedness. That's when things will finally change to a rational reasonableness'. Apparently, in Sam's world, it's perfectly fine to discuss explicit sexual matters at church as long as one speaks of them approvingly ... Edited September 3, 2018 by Hamba Tuhan 2 Link to comment
Calm Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 The public rationale is so inconsistent. 2 Link to comment
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