Jeanne Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Same difference...I like visiting friends myself. Just don't come to visit unless you really want to..and if you want to be a friend..and not a checkmark in a box. Edited March 17, 2018 by Jeanne 3 Link to comment
BillyandJane Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Sounds a bit evangelical to me. That's exactly what I thought too. Link to comment
Calm Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BillyandJane said: That's exactly what I thought too. Other name options if you shift the focus from teaching to service? (Realistic ones) Edited March 17, 2018 by Calm Link to comment
BillyandJane Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 52 minutes ago, Calm said: Other name options if you shift the focus from teaching to service? (Realistic ones) Oh, I wasn't saying Ministering Brothers and Sisters is bad, it's not, but it does have an evangelical feel to it, probably because of the word 'minister' is in there. But now that you've asked what other names could be used that convey what they are trying to do, lets think of some: (taking a quick peak at a thesaurus...) how about the "Succoring Sisters" and "Brotherly Balm" ministering groups. Link to comment
juliann Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 hours ago, BillyandJane said: Oh, I wasn't saying Ministering Brothers and Sisters is bad, it's not, but it does have an evangelical feel to it, probably because of the word 'minister' is in there. But now that you've asked what other names could be used that convey what they are trying to do, lets think of some: (taking a quick peak at a thesaurus...) how about the "Succoring Sisters" and "Brotherly Balm" ministering groups. Haha, love it. I don't think it is Evangelical at all though, ministering is a universally understood word and it is dropping the Mormonspeak outsiders need translated. It also doesn't make a distinction between the men and the women's roles. Link to comment
cinepro Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Quote Home/Visiting Teaching to be discontinued Link to comment
Duncan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, cinepro said: no more drinking left over cranberry juice, "at least I think it's cranberry , taste it and find out" Link to comment
Calm Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, cinepro said: I highly doubt the essence of the programs will be gutted given they have been considered essential to the health of the Church and the families: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1997/10/home-teaching-a-divine-service?lang=eng Quote President David O. McKay admonished: “Home teaching is one of our most urgent and most rewarding opportunities to nurture and inspire, to counsel and direct our Father’s children. … It is a divine service, a divine call. It is our duty as home teachers to carry the divine spirit into every home and heart. To love the work and do our best will bring unbounded peace, joy, and satisfaction to a noble, dedicated teacher of God’s children.”3 Monthly contacts seem likely to remain in the program. Edited March 17, 2018 by Calm 1 Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 5:15 PM, strappinglad said: And here I just got used to the change from " Ward Teacher " to " Home Teacher " !!! Quote Ward teaching is so important that it should take precedence in the selection of ward officers. Unless this is done, the results obtained will fail to meet the Lord's requirements. Indeed, the success or failure of ward teaching depends upon the intelligent, competent, devoted activity of the teachers. Therefore, every endeavor must be made to secure the best men for the service. Otherwise, it will not prosper. Just an observation from the 1944 Handbook of Instructions. 2 Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Calm said: Other name options if you shift the focus from teaching to service? (Realistic ones) Well, we went from teachers to ward teachers to home teachers. Used up the teacher possibilities. Bishop's Envoys. Family Mentors. Ward Shepherds or Sheepdogs. Sacred Agents. Bishopreps. Edited March 18, 2018 by Bernard Gui 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Bernard Gui Posted March 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) The original Home Teachers.... Epistle of Saint Ignatius, early Church Father, to Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna: Quote Widows must not be neglected. After the Lord you must be their protector. Do not let anything be done without your consent; and do not do anything without God’s, as indeed you do not. Stand firm. Hold services more often. Seek out everybody by name. Even back then there was a demand for more meetings. Some things never change. Edited March 18, 2018 by Bernard Gui 5 Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Calm said: I like Sheep Dogs. Perfectly encapsulates the office. 1 Link to comment
JAHS Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Don't know about such a change but they are doing away with the first presidency messages in the Ensign.http://byuiscroll.org/first-presidency-message-discontinued/ Edited March 18, 2018 by JAHS 1 Link to comment
cinepro Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: Just an observation from the 1944 Handbook of Instructions. I think the "it" is referring to the Ward Teaching program. And based on what I've seen in my ward, maybe it's a mercy kill. Edited March 18, 2018 by cinepro Link to comment
The Nehor Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: Well, we went from teachers to ward teachers to home teachers. Used up the teacher possibilities. Bishop's Envoys. Family Mentors. Ward Shepherds or Sheepdogs. Sacred Agents. Bishopreps. Guilt Trippers 28th, 30th, and 31st Visitation Specialists Kolobian Envoys Bishop’s Ninja Spies God’s Goons Compassionate Danites 3 Link to comment
Calm Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 God's Goons...it has alliteration for the edge Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, cinepro said: I think the "it" is referring to the Ward Teaching program. And based on what I've seen in my ward, maybe it's a mercy kill. Perhaps. On the other hand, if we were to take it more seriously, it just might prosper. 1 Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Guilt Trippers 28th, 30th, and 31st Visitation Specialists Kolobian Envoys Bishop’s Ninja Spies God’s Goons Compassionate Danites If you go at 11:55 pm on the last day of the month and stay until a little after midnight, you only have to go 6 times a year. On the other hand, our home teachers have been prompt, regular, and faithful since the birth of our youngest son Escribino, and he is now 24 years old. In our son Abogadissimo’s ward, VT has been 100% and HT over 90% for a while. It can be done. If we want to. I’m not a very good home teacher, but my companion and I send monthly letters to 40 members of our ward who refuse to have visits but will accept correspondence. Been doing that for 4 years. Edited March 18, 2018 by Bernard Gui Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: In our son Abogadissimo’s ward, VT has been 100% and HT over 90% for a while. It can be done. If we want to. When I served as elders quorum president in America, our performance varied between 87% and 93% the entire time. It really is just a matter of desire. The result is that we ended up with so many active elders that we had to split into a first and second quorum. I've tracked the stats in my current ward over many years. Sacrament meeting attendance absolutely tracks home teaching performance, with a lag of about two to three months. Personally ministering in people's home is the very essence of Christian discipleship. 3 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 13 hours ago, JAHS said: Don't know about such a change but they are doing away with the first presidency messages in the Ensign.http://byuiscroll.org/first-presidency-message-discontinued/ Yes, it states in the April 2018 First Presidency Message This message will be the last First Presidency Message published in the "Ensign" on a monthly basis. In the future, the First Presidency will share important messages as needed through the Church’s various channels, including Church magazines and LDS.org. https://www.lds.org/ensign/2018/04/as-we-go-forward-together?lang=eng So, I think this change does give credence to the 'rumor.' I think ldsliving is probably right with this statement: http://www.ldsliving.com/First-Presidency-Message-to-Be-Discountinued-in-Ensign-Liahona-Magazines-Beginning-in-April/s/88015/ The change also follows Elder Jeffery R. Holland's October 2016 general conference talk "Emissaries to the Church" in which he urged home teachers to be "emissaries of the Lord to His children" through "genuine, gospel-oriented concern for the members." Brethren, the appeal I am making tonight is for you to lift your vision of home teaching. Please, in newer, better ways see yourselves as emissaries of the Lord to His children. That means leaving behind the tradition of a frantic, law of Moses–like, end-of-the-month calendar in which you rush to give a scripted message from the Church magazines that the family has already read. We would hope, rather, that you will establish an era of genuine, gospel-oriented concern for the members, watching over and caring for each other, addressing spiritual and temporal needs in any way that helps. 4 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) As Elder Holland pointed out, we need to get rid of the idea, "Oh, I'm a home teacher [or a visiting teacher], so I make a monthly visit." (And as my sister, Jeanne, so aptly pointed out, she doesn't exist simply so people can "check her off of their To-Do List.") No, you're a home or a visiting teacher, so you minister. "I'm a bishop, so I bish." No, you minister. "I'm a stake president, so I prez." No, you minister. "I'm a teacher, so I teach." No, you minister. [Back to [LURK] mode. Don't get used to seeing me. I wouldn't want to disappoint you. (As though anybody cares. I'm sure nobody's given a second thought to my quasi-absence. For me, actually posting is the exception, not the rule.] Edited March 18, 2018 by Kenngo1969 2 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said: As Elder Holland pointed out, we need to get rid of the idea, "Oh, I'm a home teacher [or a visiting teacher], so I make a monthly visit." (And as my sister, Jeanne, so aptly pointed out, she doesn't exist simply so people can "check her off of their To-Do List.") No, you're a home or a visiting teacher, so you minister. "I'm a bishop, so I bish." No, you minister. "I'm a stake president, so I prez." No, you minister. "I'm a teacher, so I teach." No, you minister. [Back to [LURK] mode. Don't get used to seeing me. I wouldn't want to disappoint you. (As though anybody cares. I'm sure nobody's given a second thought to my quasi-absence. For me, actually posting is the exception, not the rule.] Who are you again? 1 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 46 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Who are you again? "No one of consequence." --Westley, as The Dread Pirate "Roberts," to Inigo Montoya as the two prepare to duel 1 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 14 hours ago, The Nehor said: Guilt Trippers 28th, 30th, and 31st Visitation Specialists Kolobian Envoys Bishop’s Ninja Spies God’s Goons Compassionate Danites Latter-day Danites Link to comment
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