JLHPROF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Marginal Gains said: Your righteousness is measured by you by how far you feel you are from your interpretation of what your particular brand of believed in supernatural entity may or may not want you to do or not do. Your self righteousness is contained within your inherent position that your God is The God and that your interpretation of what your God wants is The interpretation of what The God wants. Well of course. And others disagree and live their lives accordingly. And in the end, we can't all be right. According to my beliefs the world is moving further from God, not closer to. And IF my beliefs turn out to be the correct ones then God will act sooner or later (probably sooner) to show those who are moving away from him that there are consequences. IF I am wrong in my beliefs and the secular world is right then my opinion and belief will remain as inconsequential as some see it today. Edited March 17, 2018 by JLHPROF Link to comment
bsjkki Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, SteveO said: read a very raw article a few weeks ago from the New York Times about how some schools have begun education on pornography--not to expose students to it, but because a disturbing number of young people aren't comprehending that what they are seeing isn't real. A small, but again disturbing number of young men aren't sexually aroused by their partners, and prefer porn to the real thing. "Doll brothels" are having success, as men are not only uninterested in the relationship side of sex--they don't even want to deal with an actual woman. I read this too...very disturbing. But, I also agree with 3 hours ago, california boy said: In times past, spirits were thrown on this earth with little control over their lives. Thrown into slavery. Thrown into dire poverty. Thrown into plagues wiping out the family structure. Thrown into oppression. You get the idea. Now free agency is finally at its peak. All the things you listed are now choices people are free to make. The plan of salvation is finally operating better than ever before. Seems hard to start calling this the worst of times. You have the best chance you ever have had. What you do with it is up to you. I think we live in a day where the righteous and wicked are growing in strength simultaneously. When I hear of long waits at our temples, and I acknowledge we live in a ‘wicked’ world, I know we also lived in a blessed time to be free to live the gospel! Edited March 17, 2018 by bsjkki 1 Link to comment
SteveO Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 hours ago, california boy said: In times past, spirits were thrown on this earth with little control over their lives. Thrown into slavery. Thrown into dire poverty. Thrown into plagues wiping out the family structure. Thrown into oppression. You get the idea. Now free agency is finally at its peak. All the things you listed are now choices people are free to make. The plan of salvation is finally operating better than ever before. Seems hard to start calling this the worst of times. You have the best chance you ever have had. What you do with it is up to you. I agree. And you kind of made the point I was hinting at: it’s the great irony of our time that with so much freedom to choose, and so much opportunity...a good number of us aren’t being wise with those freedoms and opportunities. I don’t mean to sound like Sean Hannity here, but I blame a lot of it all on Hollywood and other forms of media. I think the messages youth are getting these days are just terrible. It doesn’t set anyone up for success as an adult. And that’s even from a perfectly practical standpoint. Link to comment
SamuelTheLamanite Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, The Nehor said: You were not put on Limited for “defending the church”. You were out on Limited for “breaking the board rules”. Unless JLHPROF is a mod they cannot change your status. 19 hours ago, JLHPROF said: It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Many here are staunch defenders and believers. Some even more TBM than you appear to be. But the board has rules. I don't know what you two are talking about. But it is okay, I done everything I could to defend the truth. This board has other defenders like Scott Loyd, JLHPROF, Benard Gui, carbon dioxide, and strappinglad. They can finish my work in defending the truth. I am in peace because God knows my thoughts and feelings. 6 hours ago, Teancum said: Harvard professor and prolific author Steven Pinker disagrees with the pessimism and feels we are living in the best times ever overall for humans. See here: https://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21737241-enlightenment-now-explains-why-doom-mongers-are-wrong-steven-pinkers-case-optimism Philosophies of men Edited March 18, 2018 by SamuelTheLamanite Link to comment
california boy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 hours ago, SteveO said: I agree. And you kind of made the point I was hinting at: it’s the great irony of our time that with so much freedom to choose, and so much opportunity...a good number of us aren’t being wise with those freedoms and opportunities. I don’t mean to sound like Sean Hannity here, but I blame a lot of it all on Hollywood and other forms of media. I think the messages youth are getting these days are just terrible. It doesn’t set anyone up for success as an adult. And that’s even from a perfectly practical standpoint. I don’t think that is quite fair. There are more people that are not Mormon or share your beliefs that have wonderful and fulfilling lives. Hollywood does not determine one’s success or failure in life. Link to comment
The Nehor Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, california boy said: I don’t think that is quite fair. There are more people that are not Mormon or share your beliefs that have wonderful and fulfilling lives. Hollywood does not determine one’s success or failure in life. Yes, but I cannot have a wonderful and fulfilling life than no one should. Burn the world! Trump 2020! Edited March 18, 2018 by The Nehor Link to comment
Teancum Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 8:05 PM, SamuelTheLamanite said: I don't know what you two are talking about. But it is okay, I done everything I could to defend the truth. This board has other defenders like Scott Loyd, JLHPROF, Benard Gui, carbon dioxide, and strappinglad. They can finish my work in defending the truth. I am in peace because God knows my thoughts and feelings. Philosophies of men Everything is the philosophies of men. Everything. You think you have God's true direction? Nope. Just more philosophies of men billed as I know God's true word. Not a new thing really. Link to comment
Raymond Ellis Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Jesus is coming back in about 17 years from now (2018). In Isaiah 66:17 we read: 'Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the garden with an idol in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse shall be consumed [by fire] together says the Lord.' In 1john we read: and the world is passing away and the lust of it but he who does will of God abides forever. Don't be like Lot's wife and miss this world and look back. The world worships power and many Mormons are trying to worship both the Holy Spirit and the spirit of power -- we should try to be perfect like the Lord and worship the Holy Spirit exclusively. Or if we don't we will be like Lot's wife and be consumed by fire. The coming millennium will be a greatly different place and we will have changed and immortalized bodies, as Paul says in Corinthians: this mortal must put on immortality. Let us look forward to Millennium life and not think about all the gloom of this life. In the Millennium, for instance, there will be no Menstruation (Isaiah 4). Couples will make love a vastly different way, and because of it there will be no more pain in childbirth. Husbands and wives will be truly equals, not like it is now. Couples will be able to choose the sex of their children. And when they have finished their work in their new Jerusalem's, their children will take over on earth, and they will rapture to heaven above for a rest until they are ready to be born again. Philippians 4:8 says whatever is true, lovely, praiseworthy, noble, beautiful, we should meditate on these things. We know the lion will lie down with the lamb in the Millennium. Also if anybody falls they will actually slow down as they fall and hit the ground precisely -- so thy won't be injured. Let us try to look forward to the New Heavens and the New Earth the home of righteousness -- Peter. Link to comment
bluebell Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Raymond Ellis said: Jesus is coming back in about 17 years from now (2018). In Isaiah 66:17 we read: 'Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the garden with an idol in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse shall be consumed [by fire] together says the Lord.' In 1john we read: and the world is passing away and the lust of it but he who does will of God abides forever. Don't be like Lot's wife and miss this world and look back. The world worships power and many Mormons are trying to worship both the Holy Spirit and the spirit of power -- we should try to be perfect like the Lord and worship the Holy Spirit exclusively. Or if we don't we will be like Lot's wife and be consumed by fire. The coming millennium will be a greatly different place and we will have changed and immortalized bodies, as Paul says in Corinthians: this mortal must put on immortality. Let us look forward to Millennium life and not think about all the gloom of this life. In the Millennium, for instance, there will be no Menstruation (Isaiah 4). Couples will make love a vastly different way, and because of it there will be no more pain in childbirth. Husbands and wives will be truly equals, not like it is now. Couples will be able to choose the sex of their children. And when they have finished their work in their new Jerusalem's, their children will take over on earth, and they will rapture to heaven above for a rest until they are ready to be born again. Philippians 4:8 says whatever is true, lovely, praiseworthy, noble, beautiful, we should meditate on these things. We know the lion will lie down with the lamb in the Millennium. Also if anybody falls they will actually slow down as they fall and hit the ground precisely -- so thy won't be injured. Let us try to look forward to the New Heavens and the New Earth the home of righteousness -- Peter. Do you have an authoritative sources on this, or is it all just based on your personal interpretation of scripture? 2 Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 59 minutes ago, bluebell said: Do you have an authoritative sources on this, or is it all just based on your personal interpretation of scripture? I think we all know the answer to that. 9 hours ago, Raymond Ellis said: Jesus is coming back in about 17 years from now (2018). The coming millennium will be a greatly different place and we will have changed and immortalized bodies In the Millennium, for instance, there will be no Menstruation (Isaiah 4). Couples will make love a vastly different way, and because of it there will be no more pain in childbirth. Husbands and wives will be truly equals, not like it is now. Couples will be able to choose the sex of their children. And when they have finished their work in their new Jerusalem's, their children will take over on earth, and they will rapture to heaven above for a rest until they are ready to be born again. That's some pretty awesome doctrinal wrangling. I am intrigued by #4 on your list. And #3 is one of the best scriptural twists I've read in years. I assume you mean: Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning. Who would have thought that referred to menstruation? 2 Link to comment
pogi Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 14 hours ago, Raymond Ellis said: Jesus is coming back in about 17 years from now (2018). In Isaiah 66:17 we read: 'Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the garden with an idol in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and the mouse shall be consumed [by fire] together says the Lord.' In 1john we read: and the world is passing away and the lust of it but he who does will of God abides forever. Don't be like Lot's wife and miss this world and look back. The world worships power and many Mormons are trying to worship both the Holy Spirit and the spirit of power -- we should try to be perfect like the Lord and worship the Holy Spirit exclusively. Or if we don't we will be like Lot's wife and be consumed by fire. The coming millennium will be a greatly different place and we will have changed and immortalized bodies, as Paul says in Corinthians: this mortal must put on immortality. Let us look forward to Millennium life and not think about all the gloom of this life. In the Millennium, for instance, there will be no Menstruation (Isaiah 4). Couples will make love a vastly different way, and because of it there will be no more pain in childbirth. Husbands and wives will be truly equals, not like it is now. Couples will be able to choose the sex of their children. And when they have finished their work in their new Jerusalem's, their children will take over on earth, and they will rapture to heaven above for a rest until they are ready to be born again. Philippians 4:8 says whatever is true, lovely, praiseworthy, noble, beautiful, we should meditate on these things. We know the lion will lie down with the lamb in the Millennium. Also if anybody falls they will actually slow down as they fall and hit the ground precisely -- so thy won't be injured. Let us try to look forward to the New Heavens and the New Earth the home of righteousness -- Peter. ... Link to comment
SamuelTheLamanite Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) On 3/17/2018 at 5:22 PM, Teancum said: Harvard professor and prolific author Steven Pinker disagrees with the pessimism and feels we are living in the best times ever overall for humans. Steven Pinker is living in a fantasy world. The world is becoming a more wicked and evil. Pornography is available everywhere and destroying families. Human trafficking is on the rise. Fox News reports "Sex trafficking is a $32 billion a year industry in the U.S., victimizing between 300,000 and 400,000 American children every year" http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/01/30/sex-trafficking-survivor-truth-about-super-bowl-and-sex.html" Rep Joyce Beatty confirms the statistic " In the U.S., some 300,000 children are at risk each year of commercial sexual exploitation." https://beatty.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/beatty-s-anti-human-trafficking-bill-to-Jbecome-law With half a million American children being victims of trafficking we cannot say the world is a better place. On 3/17/2018 at 3:57 PM, california boy said: Seems hard to start calling this the worst of times. You have the best chance you ever have had. What you do with it is up to you. Rep Joyce Beatty says 300,000 American children are victims of trafficking every year. We are in the worst of times. God is warning us in the scriptures. On 3/14/2018 at 10:04 PM, pogi said: Developed nations are increasingly becoming more secular and I worry. We have never seen before so many secular attacks on religious freedom. Edited March 28, 2018 by SamuelTheLamanite Link to comment
SamuelTheLamanite Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) On 3/14/2018 at 5:02 PM, The Nehor said: . Times will be difficult but we have the Millenium on the way where we can fix all that. Times will be very difficult. On 3/14/2018 at 4:54 AM, sunstoned said: I believe that right now, this very minute is the best time to be alive in the history of the planet. Things are far from perfect, and there is still war, hunger, disease and oppression. But it is better than it use to be. It is not better sunstoned. Secular attacks on religious freedom are more frequent now. Human trafficking is on the rise in the United States. Fox news reports "Sex trafficking is a $32 billion a year industry in the U.S., victimizing between 300,000 and 400,000 American children every year" http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/01/30/sex-trafficking-survivor-truth-about-super-bowl-and-sex.html . Rep Joyce Beatty confirms the Fox News statistic " In the U.S., some 300,000 children are at risk each year of commercial sexual exploitation." https://beatty.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/beatty-s-anti-human-trafficking-bill-to-Jbecome-law There are about two million (including adults) trafficking victims in the United States every year, how can you say it is the best tie to be alive in history? Edited March 28, 2018 by SamuelTheLamanite Link to comment
SamuelTheLamanite Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I am very worried because the United States is becoming a Sodom and Gomorrah. Link to comment
sunstoned Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: Times will be very difficult. It is not better sunstoned. Secular attacks on religious freedom are more frequent now. Human trafficking is on the rise in the United States. Fox news reports "Sex trafficking is a $32 billion a year industry in the U.S., victimizing between 300,000 and 400,000 American children every year" http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/01/30/sex-trafficking-survivor-truth-about-super-bowl-and-sex.html . Rep Joyce Beatty confirms the Fox News statistic " In the U.S., some 300,000 children are at risk each year of commercial sexual exploitation." https://beatty.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/beatty-s-anti-human-trafficking-bill-to-Jbecome-law There are about two million (including adults) trafficking victims in the United States every year, how can you say it is the best tie to be alive in history? If it is not better now, then please identify the the best time in history that we are devolving from. In other words, when has. here been a better time than now? 1 Link to comment
SamuelTheLamanite Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, sunstoned said: If it is not better now, then please identify the the best time in history that we are devolving from. In other words, when has. here been a better time than now? Which part of the 300,000 to 400,000 you didn't understand? Never before has there been so many victims of trafficking in US history. 400,000 is 1 in 100 juveniles because there are about 41 million (ages 10 to 17) in the US. It is impossible to say we are living in the best times when 1 in 100 American juveniles are victims of trafficking every year. Fox News and Rep Joyce Beatty make it very clear. https://beatty.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/beatty-s-anti-human-trafficking-bill-to-Jbecome-law I blame pornography for the rise of rape and human trafficking . The scriptures teach us that the world is going to get more wicked. The signs of the second coming couldn't be more clear. Edited March 28, 2018 by SamuelTheLamanite Link to comment
Calm Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 http://checkyourfact.com/2017/07/31/fact-check-is-human-trafficking-worse-than-its-ever-been-in-the-history-of-the-world/ "Statistics on contemporary and historical human trafficking, however, are contested. Experts have raised questions about the accuracy of statistical estimates of the number of human trafficking victims due to a lack of empirical data. Historians have similarly questioned statistics about the number of victims of the Atlantic slave trade, as most statistics do not include the high mortality rates of brutal slave ships. The total number of human trafficking during this time, including the Atlantic and other trade slave operations, is likely to be more than the 15 million number cited by the U.N. This is on top of the fact that human population has increasednearly sevenfold from less than a billion people in 1800 – a rough approximation of the tail end of the Atlantic slave trade – to more than seven billion people today. In this context, the Atlantic slave trade was proportionally worse than contemporary human trafficking." Link to comment
sunstoned Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 8 hours ago, SamuelTheLamanite said: Which part of the 300,000 to 400,000 you didn't understand? Never before has there been so many victims of trafficking in US history. 400,000 is 1 in 100 juveniles because there are about 41 million (ages 10 to 17) in the US. It is impossible to say we are living in the best times when 1 in 100 American juveniles are victims of trafficking every year. Fox News and Rep Joyce Beatty make it very clear. https://beatty.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/beatty-s-anti-human-trafficking-bill-to-Jbecome-law I blame pornography for the rise of rape and human trafficking . The scriptures teach us that the world is going to get more wicked. The signs of the second coming couldn't be more clear. You did not answer my question. I claim that today, right.now.this.very.second it the best time in the history of mankind to be alive. No other time in history offers the quality of life than today does. If you dispute this (and apparently you are) then identify a time in the history of the world that is better than now. I get really tired of religious doom and gloomers talking about how things are so bad and getting worse and worse. To them (and you) I say put your money where your mouth is. Identify a better time in the history of mankind that we seem to be devolving from. 1 Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 9 hours ago, sunstoned said: If it is not better now, then please identify the the best time in history that we are devolving from. In other words, when has. here been a better time than now? That depends on which measuring statistic you are using. Many things ARE better today. But the increase in people that identify as atheist is frequently documented. So things were better when more people did their best to follow God and Christ. And fewer people mistakenly taught that there was no God. Link to comment
stemelbow Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: That depends on which measuring statistic you are using. Many things ARE better today. But the increase in people that identify as atheist is frequently documented. So things were better when more people did their best to follow God and Christ. And fewer people mistakenly taught that there was no God. When you say these things, are you thinking of the western world, mostly? I'm curious why you think there are less people who believe in God or follow today then there were 1000 years ago. I suppose as a percentage today there is a smaller percentage of western world people who believe in God and follow Christ, but that seems to discount, ignore the whole of the world. Link to comment
california boy Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 12:16 PM, SteveO said: I agree. And you kind of made the point I was hinting at: it’s the great irony of our time that with so much freedom to choose, and so much opportunity...a good number of us aren’t being wise with those freedoms and opportunities. I don’t mean to sound like Sean Hannity here, but I blame a lot of it all on Hollywood and other forms of media. I think the messages youth are getting these days are just terrible. It doesn’t set anyone up for success as an adult. And that’s even from a perfectly practical standpoint. And others blame religion for a lot of the problems in the world. We seem to need a villain. If you view Mormonism as the standard for righteousness, then there is no better time to be Mormon as well. No one is burning your house down or shooting at you through the slats of a mill. You can live your life the way you see fit. That has not always been the case. ‘If the cornerstone of the plan of salvation is free agency, then we live at the best time the world has ever offered. Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, stemelbow said: When you say these things, are you thinking of the western world, mostly? I'm curious why you think there are less people who believe in God or follow today then there were 1000 years ago. I suppose as a percentage today there is a smaller percentage of western world people who believe in God and follow Christ, but that seems to discount, ignore the whole of the world. I can only act based on what I believe to be true. And I believe that an acceptance of Christ, his atonement, and the God that sent him is a necessity. Regardless of other beliefs, fewer and fewer people on earth accept its creator. That makes the earth increasing in wickedness no matter how many improvements we make to our living conditions. Now of course my beliefs aren't everyone's. But if I believe correctly, if a belief in Christ is the correct understanding of the way the world works, then the effects of this move away from God and Christ will be seen eventually, or even soon. Link to comment
stemelbow Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: I can only act based on what I believe to be true. And I believe that an acceptance of Christ, his atonement, and the God that sent him is a necessity. Regardless of other beliefs, fewer and fewer people on earth accept its creator. That makes the earth increasing in wickedness no matter how many improvements we make to our living conditions. Now of course my beliefs aren't everyone's. But if I believe correctly, if a belief in Christ is the correct understanding of the way the world works, then the effects of this move away from God and Christ will be seen eventually, or even soon. I'm pretty confused by your claim of knowing whether more or fewer people accept its creator stuff. There are far more people on the earth today, and beliefs transcend lands in ways they never did before. Meaning some guy on a remote island 1000 years ago was not connected to beliefs other than whatever they could fathom, in that day and land. Now a days the idea of a creator is so easily shared across the world in a way it never has been before. It seems to me you have to assume our day is more wicked, more rejecting of a creator, in order to conclude it is. You don't seem to have any support for the assumption that turned conclusion for you. Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, california boy said: If the cornerstone of the plan of salvation is free agency, then we live at the best time the world has ever offered. Yes and no. If we use our agency to make incorrect choices it will blow up in our faces. Just ask the 3rd part of the hosts of heaven. And bad choices always serve to reduce our agency in the long term. Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, stemelbow said: I'm pretty confused by your claim of knowing whether more or fewer people accept its creator stuff. There are far more people on the earth today, and beliefs transcend lands in ways they never did before. Meaning some guy on a remote island 1000 years ago was not connected to beliefs other than whatever they could fathom, in that day and land. Now a days the idea of a creator is so easily shared across the world in a way it never has been before. It seems to me you have to assume our day is more wicked, more rejecting of a creator, in order to conclude it is. You don't seem to have any support for the assumption that turned conclusion for you. Increased accessibility of information is not the same as increased acceptance. We have access to more information than at any other time in history. But that doesn't automatically bring a corresponding increase in intelligence, creativity, empathy, or spirituality. And yes the number that accept Christ may even be increasing, but proportionally within the population of the planet? You can google stats just as easily as I can. 1 Link to comment
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