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One Mormon girl from the Coral Springs ward was killed yesterday and another was shot 2 times but has survived. Sad day, sad news.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900010446/lds-community-mourns-florida-shooting-victims-including-2-mormon-girls.html

Church statement: https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-statement-parkland-florida-shooting

Family statement: http://www.ldsliving.com/Family-of-LDS-Teen-Slain-in-Florida-Shooting-Releases-Statement/s/87756

https://www.ldsdaily.com/world/lds-teen-slain-florida-shooting-another-fights-life

Her mom is the RS President and her dad is the Stake Executive Secretary. I pray they will be comforted by their faith and the strong presence of the spirit.

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My SIL posted a band picture today. Several bands are on the field where they present the awards. My nephew's band was on the field next to this school's band and at least one of the students in band was killed. My SIL wrote how she sat in the bleachers with the parents of these kids. That several of her seminary students knew some of the children killed. Tragedies like this are so far reaching. 

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12 hours ago, bsjkki said:

One Mormon girl from the Coral Springs ward was killed yesterday and another was shot 2 times but has survived. Sad day, sad news.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900010446/lds-community-mourns-florida-shooting-victims-including-2-mormon-girls.html

Church statement: https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-statement-parkland-florida-shooting

Family statement: http://www.ldsliving.com/Family-of-LDS-Teen-Slain-in-Florida-Shooting-Releases-Statement/s/87756

https://www.ldsdaily.com/world/lds-teen-slain-florida-shooting-another-fights-life

Her mom is the RS President and her dad is the Stake Executive Secretary. I pray they will be comforted by their faith and the strong presence of the spirit.

I drove a you g lady from the Bush Airport to her hotel tonight. She knows the father of on of thr slain students. That makes the grieving even stronger. I do love the statement released by the family of the slain teen regarding eternal families. 

May God bless all the victims and their loved ones. The shooter confessed in court being the cuplrit so we’ll see how justice is served. I do want to add as well, that he should be prayed for also. 

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I just got this text from Mother. She and Dad are on their way to his sister's house after their stake conference.

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The apostle Elder Stevenson was there. First time [in] 25 years that an apostle visited the Orlando Stake. Part of his message was describing his visit wit the young girl [in] the hospital that was shot in both her arm and back. She already had 3 surgeries. She and her whole family were thrilled with having an apostle visit them. Her message was one of Thanksgiving and a firm testimony of our Savior and his love for us. Elder Stevenson talked about the impact of the Comforter. The whole family exhibited this.

 

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On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 9:05 AM, The Nehor said:

From The Onion:

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...who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations.

I know The Onion is satire and satire is funny because it is based in part on reality. Getting more into reality makes satire less funny, I know. So while I appreciate the humor you injected into this thread about a school shooting (that’s my own little satirical injection) and likely political points you tried score, here's my take.

I searched school shootings outside the United States. The following link seems accurate and from it I count the following number of mass shootings:

Finland = 2; 5.50 million

Germany = 1; population 82.67 million

England = 2; population = 53.01 million

Azerbaijan = 1; population 9.76 million

Canada = 1; population 36.29 million

Scottland = 1; population = 5.5 million

Tasmania = 1; population = 514,700

Norway = 1; population = 5.23 million

https://www.watchmojo.com/video/id/11675

(Populations via Wikipedia of respective countries)

On the Norwegian massacre I noticed the website  says the shooter, Anders Behring Breivik, will likely be "incarnated" for life. That is true since we are all "incarnated for life". Now, that aside, the populations of the countries which had the listed top ten shooting massacres above is about 198,475,000 witnessing 225 deaths in these shootings.

Unites States of America population = 325, 719, 178

Via Wikipedia

I Binged "top ten shooting massacres in the united states", according to one hit it lists 159 deaths from these shootings. This does not include Las Vegas shootings, the Orlando night club shooting, nor this most recent shooting for this thread. The article does say top ten worst massacres but only lists 8. I clicked on one of its cited links and added the shootings from the University of Texas and from Red Lake Senior High School which increases the total to 185. When adding Vegas (58 deaths), Night Club (49 deaths), and Parkland, FL, (17 deaths), the total deaths would be at 283.

http://listverse.com/2008/01/01/top-10-worst-school-massacres/

Since I quickly noticed that the first massacre listed above for the United States happened in 1924, I returned to the international link of shooting massacres is listed in 1987.

So according to the data here the United States has had 59 more deaths from its worse mass shootings but that is adding three extra shootings to the US list than my international list. Furthermore, the US shootings are listed starting from 6 decades before the international list and the United States has a nearly 61% greater population than that of all the listed international list countries combined.

 

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2 hours ago, Darren10 said:

From The Onion:

I know The Onion is satire and satire is funny because it is based in part on reality. Getting more into reality makes satire less funny, I know. So while I appreciate the humor you injected into this thread about a school shooting (that’s my own little satirical injection) and likely political points you tried score, here's my take.

I searched school shootings outside the United States. The following link seems accurate and from it I count the following number of mass shootings:

Finland = 2; 5.50 million

Germany = 1; population 82.67 million

England = 2; population = 53.01 million

Azerbaijan = 1; population 9.76 million

Canada = 1; population 36.29 million

Scottland = 1; population = 5.5 million

Tasmania = 1; population = 514,700

Norway = 1; population = 5.23 million

https://www.watchmojo.com/video/id/11675

(Populations via Wikipedia of respective countries)

On the Norwegian massacre I noticed the website  says the shooter, Anders Behring Breivik, will likely be "incarnated" for life. That is true since we are all "incarnated for life". Now, that aside, the populations of the countries which had the listed top ten shooting massacres above is about 198,475,000 witnessing 225 deaths in these shootings.

Unites States of America population = 325, 719, 178

Via Wikipedia

I Binged "top ten shooting massacres in the united states", according to one hit it lists 159 deaths from these shootings. This does not include Las Vegas shootings, the Orlando night club shooting, nor this most recent shooting for this thread. The article does say top ten worst massacres but only lists 8. I clicked on one of its cited links and added the shootings from the University of Texas and from Red Lake Senior High School which increases the total to 185. When adding Vegas (58 deaths), Night Club (49 deaths), and Parkland, FL, (17 deaths), the total deaths would be at 283.

http://listverse.com/2008/01/01/top-10-worst-school-massacres/

Since I quickly noticed that the first massacre listed above for the United States happened in 1924, I returned to the international link of shooting massacres is listed in 1987.

So according to the data here the United States has had 59 more deaths from its worse mass shootings but that is adding three extra shootings to the US list than my international list. Furthermore, the US shootings are listed starting from 6 decades before the international list and the United States has a nearly 61% greater population than that of all the listed international list countries combined.

 

Pretty bad data comparison.

The current data suggests that the United States has about 31% of the world's mass shootings and has roughly 5% of the world's population. Those are not good numbers.

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7 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Pretty bad data comparison.

The current data suggests that the United States has about 31% of the world's mass shootings and has roughly 5% of the world's population. Those are not good numbers.

Source please? I’ll most likely respond only once after that. I do not feel it appropriate to do a political gun debate on this thread. Please start one if you want to have such a debate. 

As for homocide rates, the US is has the lowest in North America except for Canada, and lower than any Central or South American country except Chile. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

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1 hour ago, Darren10 said:

Source please? I’ll most likely respond only once after that. I do not feel it appropriate to do a political gun debate on this thread. Please start one if you want to have such a debate. 

As for homocide rates, the US is has the lowest in North America except for Canada, and lower than any Central or South American country except Chile. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Pulled it off Wikipedia after looking at the sources.

You are claiming that we are derailing into an inappropriate debate and then derail the derail by switching from mass shooting statistics to homicide statistics. Why?

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8 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Pulled it off Wikipedia after looking at the sources.

You are claiming that we are derailing into an inappropriate debate and then derail the derail by switching from mass shooting statistics to homicide statistics. Why?

Why not? I found you painted an askewed view as to Americans not wanting to do anything to prevent mass shootings as well as askewed view of United States being a place of high rates of shooting deaths. When it's all said and done, Americans very much want to prevent mass shootings and overall America dies fairly well in the world when it comes to gun violence. This is a classic counter arguments from the political Left and political Right. That's what I do not want to get into on this thread. Yoy and I have shut down threads befire for doing this. I see the purpose of this thread to pay respect to gun victims. 

I looked into the source which is a recent study from the American Sociological Society. You can find their study here: http://www.asanet.org/news-events/asa-news/us-has-5-percent-worlds-population-had-31-percent-its-public-mass-shooters-1966-2012

The gist is that the US has the highest number of mass shootings according to how they define what a mass shooting is. Also, despite having more number if dhootings, the number of deaths per shootings are less in the US than internationally. The study also argues a positive relationship between gun ownership and mass shootings. 

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