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By Larry nance
God the Father was a Savior on his planet:
Three prophets and two general authorities said absolutely No!. It is false Doctrine.No room for discussion. The problem is with the scripture ' Jesus said: I do nothing save I ave see my Father do'
Pres. John Taylor and Brigham Young received this revelation just after Joseph did. It scared Taylor so he ran over to ask Youngi if it true". Brigham said yes, it is true, but do not mention it to anyone until Joseph makes i known to Churc.h.
Contrary to those who believed Joseph coined the phrase that 'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become'. It was Pres. Taylor that coined it. When Joseph in Teachings of the JOseph Smith, he added that God The Father was an ordinary may and embraced the gospel and listened to his Father in Heaven and was Exalted like we would like to be.." IT is eternal principle that has been goining on fo ever - without beginning. Joseph saed there has always been people who were in a cycle to becoming gods. Internity is without beginning and without end. Then he said this is a great secret!!! What is the secret? It is not blasphmy to say' if God could do it, so can we! He was not a savoir or had any speical talents that we do not have. President Packer and Neil Maxwell stated publicaly in talks. "That it was a false doctrine to believe the God-Savior platform. "There is no scripture present or past,;, no statement from any prophet living or dead to give credance to that false teaching.' Hope that helps... YOu can look up the sites. I did. Background: I am 75 and have study everything or 10,000 hours since I was 12. Read every word of every prophet living and dead. Went to hundreds of Education week lectures and Know your religion ( outside of Utah since I was 14. I was ordaind a Seventy by Elder Packard 1971 and was told in my ordination paryer that I was to speakout agains false doctrine where I found it. A scary thing happened 6 year ago when I called out a great guy with lots of knowledge. After Preiesthood meeting he tried to kill me!!! Recenly, this doctrine rose its ugly head in priestood meeting. The statement was intimated, but was short of stating it, I stated that God the Father was no savior, but the person was addiment and did not want to duscuss it, but just said "let it go!! He is a great guy too. So I did not aurgue it to have peace in the meeting and not decention (Satan is the author of all decention! I really don't want any arguments on this. I have known the above for 40 years .but I do have 1,000's files on every gospel subject, and a system for organizing all your notes and papers so you can find anything instantly and give any talk subject, all in the same place! I grew up with no computer so I had to type things out, include the 18 volumes of the Nibley series. In Brazil, I taught the High priests which had 4 mission Presidents and 2 general authorities... I was fabulous...l Thank for your attention. Like the Mormon forum to share...
I'm a big fan of Pope Francis, and it seems like he keeps making statements and implementing policies that are so important and prophetic for our time. I really think he's an inspired leader, and sometimes he says something that just strikes me as so Mormon, its amazing. I was thinking about this quote from a recent speech and I'm contrasting this with the statements that we hear from some of our church leaders recently about doctrines that will "never change".
I think the Pope sounds more Mormon than many of our current leaders to, when it comes to espousing a foundational Mormon doctrine (Article of faith #9) about continuing revelation.
The Pope is leading the way in our troubled world. Thoughts?
By Mormons Talk
Question about the Temple. In your responses, please uphold the sacred nature of the temple, and guidelines from the Church and this forum for discussing temple related matters. My questions are:
(1) Is everything in the Temple ceremony "doctrine," or does doctrine "reside" in the temple ceremony much like it does in the scriptures (see Mormon Newsroom paragraph below)?
(2) In reference to the paragraph below, does ALL doctrine reside somewhere in (i) the 4 standard works; (ii) official declarations and proclamations; and (iii) the Articles of Faith? If not, can we create a list of things that DO contain ALL doctrine (recognizing that this list might also contain many non-doctrinal elements)?
My reference point is the article "Approaching Mormon Doctrine" found at http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/approaching-mormon-doctrine. It states, in part, "Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency(the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith. Isolated statements are often taken out of context, leaving their original meaning distorted."
Interestingly, I do not find any mention of the temple in this article on Mormon Doctrine - perhaps it was omitted inadvertently.
I thought this was an excellent essay for those a faith crisis, and goes to the root of what many are learning here, and what many here have not yet learned, but should learn- that Mormonism is highly flexible in terms of acceptable "doctrine" and encourages us to find our own ways within the church.
I have been a member 36 years and have never felt pressured about my perhaps non-traditional views. Perhaps those raised as children in the church may feel differently, but frankly this essay captures precisely the feelings of those I know who have had a faith crisis and have returned. It's a gem.