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One of the young women you described was pretty much identical to one of the young women included in the SL Trib story about those who had problems with BYU.  I think it was the one the dad got involved in.

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19 minutes ago, Calm said:

One of the young women you described was pretty much identical to one of the young women included in the SL Trib story about those who had problems with BYU.  I think it was the one the dad got involved in.

She wasn’t believed by the Orem police...the guy asssulted 3 more girls before a cop in St. George tied the pieces together.

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1 hour ago, bsjkki said:

I read the comments too since there was so little coverage of the actual trial. It almost seems the accuser was more on trial than the defendant. I think this is one reason for the scarce coverage. Would you want to publish the accusations against the accuser? She lied, changed her story, waited a whole 4 days to report, slept around etc...what victim would ever come forward knowing their life was going to be fodder for the masses?

They were very successful in shredding her credibility.

As a matter of natural justice, an accused person has the right to confront his accuser and challenge the credibility of the accusation. In a "he said she said" situation it's therefore not at all surprising that the credibility of the sole prosecution witness - the accuser - would be a key point. It's perhaps not altogether surprising that guilty men get acquitted sometimes; perhaps we should be surprised when convictions happen.

As a sometime juror, her sexual history seems to me to be far less relevant than the fact (if it is a fact, and not mere lawyer's spin) that she changed her story as much as she did. If I was on that jury, I'd regard the sexual history bit as a rather shabby tactic; I'd be much more concerned about the alleged changes in her story.

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5 hours ago, Calm said:

This is a CFR btw, Darren.

I withdraw. :)

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14 hours ago, thesometimesaint said:

Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Rule of Gold: Those that have the Gold rule.

Also written as: He who has the Gold makes the rules.

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1 hour ago, Stargazer said:

Also written as: He who has the Gold makes the rules.

True. :)

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9 minutes ago, Gray said:

He's on tape admitting it? How was he acquitted?

I think it's because it was decided that his confession was coerced.  

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3 hours ago, Gray said:

He's on tape admitting it? How was he acquitted?

When I read the article I got the impression that this confession was more of entrapment and manipulation than what we typically think of as sitting down and writing a confession. As I understood he they spoke on the phone and she tried to get him to apologize while the police were listening and taping. 

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1 hour ago, Storm Rider said:

When I read the article I got the impression that this confession was more of entrapment and manipulation than what we typically think of as sitting down and writing a confession. As I understood he they spoke on the phone and she tried to get him to apologize while the police were listening and taping. 

Yeah, I think that is standard cop procedure (I'm an expert because I've watched Law and Order for like, 20 years.) I wonder if he would have gotten away with burglary if he had admitted to stealing a car. 

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I have no idea whether this was sexual assault or not. I suspect it was but as much as I find these crimes abhorrent I do not want to throw away basic rights of the accused to facilitate convictions. This makes rape hard to prove but as bad as that is changing the rules to shift the burden of proof could be even more catastrophic.

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1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

I have no idea whether this was sexual assault or not. I suspect it was but as much as I find these crimes abhorrent I do not want to throw away basic rights of the accused to facilitate convictions. This makes rape hard to prove but as bad as that is changing the rules to shift the burden of proof could be even more catastrophic.

I agree.  I find great comfort in knowing that no one is going to get away with anything and that eventually these people, if guilty, will be held accountable.  I also believe that by missing out on their opportunity to repent in this life and deal with the consequences, it will make it even harder and more painful to do so in the next.

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