Gray Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 This is is disturbing: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/meet-the-alt-right-mormons-inside-the-churchs-vocal-white?utm_term=.irw6D5G87#.fiOwJz0ej Church leaders have made it clear that racism is not acceptable in any form. But it would good to have an explicit denunciation of this group. This is the KKK rebranded for the 21st century. This goes beyond politics and strikes at the heart of Christian morality. 1 Link to comment
SeekerB Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Isn't alt right a made up term by the left to discredit any kind of conservative position? Link to comment
Popular Post theplains Posted March 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Gray said: Church leaders have made it clear that racism is not acceptable in any form. But it would good to have an explicit denunciation of this group. This is the KKK rebranded for the 21st century. This goes beyond politics and strikes at the heart of Christian morality. I don't think the LDS Church has enough time to denounce all possible groups of people around the world. Just stick to preaching the gospel and people's hearts will change. Thanks, Jim 7 Link to comment
clarkgoble Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Gray said: Church leaders have made it clear that racism is not acceptable in any form. But it would good to have an explicit denunciation of this group. This is the KKK rebranded for the 21st century. This goes beyond politics and strikes at the heart of Christian morality. There have always been racist Mormons. Wasn't Bo Gritz Mormon for a while? That whole area up in Idaho has a reasonable number of Mormons and it's not surprising some get taken in by such groups. I doubt there are very many of this group. The bigger worry are well meaning people who maintain a casual racism they aren't aware of. The alt-right types know they're out of harmony with the church in their hearts. This other group doesn't realize what they are doing. 4 Link to comment
longview Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Never heard of "Ayla" . . . this reporter, Jim Dalrymple, appears to be a typical leftist journalist (read propagandist) that is part of the mass effort to demonize Trump as being "racist" . . . which is weird because he was never considered that before he tossed his hat into the ring . . . arguing for a secure border is NOT racist because legal immigration allows for ALL race, ALL ethnicity, ALL heritage . . . I have been hearing this term "Alt-Right" for the past year but I have not really seen a good definition for it . . . several different kinds of organizations claim that title for themselves . . . it seems to have something to do with Trump's advisor, Steve Bannon . . . but Bannon grew up in multi-ethnic urban Richmond (his parents insisted on staying rather than moving out to the suburbs) . . .he attended Virginia Tech and served as president of Student Government Association . . . here is the article from his hometown newspaper Your use of the term "KKK" is a vile slander against Trump supporters . . . I am a Trump fan and very grateful for him . . . just because the people have voted to roll back the excesses of giant government does NOT mean Berkeley students have the right to viciously attack conservatives from speaking at the forum and to prevent students and others who are interested in attending . . . the derangement of the extreme left is VERY breathtaking . . . 3 Link to comment
Gray Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 17 minutes ago, SeekerB said: Isn't alt right a made up term by the left to discredit any kind of conservative position? No, lots of people self-identify as alt-right. Link to comment
Gray Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, clarkgoble said: There have always been racist Mormons. Wasn't Bo Gritz Mormon for a while? That whole area up in Idaho has a reasonable number of Mormons and it's not surprising some get taken in by such groups. I doubt there are very many of this group. The bigger worry are well meaning people who maintain a casual racism they aren't aware of. The alt-right types know they're out of harmony with the church in their hearts. This other group doesn't realize what they are doing. The difference is the alt right, for now at least, have taken over the White House. They're a minority but they're powerful. Link to comment
Judd Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SeekerB said: Isn't alt right a made up term by the left to discredit any kind of conservative position? In a similar fashion to how the Westboro Baptist Church is a household name yet only has ~40 members but gets a reasonable amount of attention for announcing protests but then almost never actually follows through. Edited March 26, 2017 by Judd Link to comment
Gray Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, longview said: Never heard of "Ayla" . . . this reporter, Jim Dalrymple, appears to be a typical leftist journalist (read propagandist) that is part of the mass effort to demonize Trump as being "racist" . . . which is weird because he was never considered that before he tossed his hat into the ring . . . arguing for a secure border is NOT racist because legal immigration allows for ALL race, ALL ethnicity, ALL heritage . . . I have been hearing this term "Alt-Right" for the past year but I have not really seen a good definition for it . . . several different kinds of organizations claim that title for themselves . . . it seems to have something to do with Trump's advisor, Steve Bannon . . . but Bannon grew up in multi-ethnic urban Richmond (his parents insisted on staying rather than moving out to the suburbs) . . .he attended Virginia Tech and served as president of Student Government Association . . . here is the article from his hometown newspaper Your use of the term "KKK" is a vile slander against Trump supporters . . . I am a Trump fan and very grateful for him . . . just because the people have voted to roll back the excesses of giant government does NOT mean Berkeley students have the right to viciously attack conservatives from speaking at the forum and to prevent students and others who are interested in attending . . . the derangement of the extreme left is VERY breathtaking . . . The alt-right is a white supremacist movement. You can live in denial if you like, but that's exactly what it is. Most trump supporters are not a part of the alt-right. They voted for Trump because they found his rhetoric convincing (although many are waking up now). But call it alt-right, white nationalism or what have you, it's just the Klan all over again. Turn a blind eye to it if you wish. But the alt right represents a bigger potential threat to the church than either fundamentalists or anti-Mormons. https://theintellectualist.co/in-move-reminiscent-of-adolph-hitler-trump-to-publish-weekly-list-of-crimes-allegedly-committed-by-immigrants/ 3 Link to comment
Sleeper Cell Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 20 minutes ago, Gray said: No, lots of people self-identify as alt-right. 20 minutes ago, Gray said: The difference is the alt right, for now at least, have taken over the White House. They're a minority but they're powerful. Can you name one person working in the White House who self-identifies as “alt-right?” 2 Link to comment
BlueDreams Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gray said: This is is disturbing: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/meet-the-alt-right-mormons-inside-the-churchs-vocal-white?utm_term=.irw6D5G87#.fiOwJz0ej Church leaders have made it clear that racism is not acceptable in any form. But it would good to have an explicit denunciation of this group. This is the KKK rebranded for the 21st century. This goes beyond politics and strikes at the heart of Christian morality. I saw her commentary on James The Mormon from a date I was on who also found it pretty disturbing. I found it more laughable and sent it to my little brother to giggle with him. His exact words included "Just read it. Not going to lie. She seems a little crazy to me." and "yea, i checked out her twitter page and she just seems like a lunatic." He's your average senior in high school from an average suburb of a sprawling Texas metroplex who also likes James the mormon quite a bit. We both chuckled a bit in our texts. I thought of posting it here, but thought it wasn't worth it, because woman's on the fringe in mormondom IMHO....sure pieces of what she says I can find scattered in member's thoughts and behaviors at times, but having the aggregated whole of what she's proclaiming....not so much. A few years back I lurked and posted a handful of times on a white nationalist board for curiosity's sake. It was on their weird part of the board that allowed for people critical of their movement to debate them. I say weird because it was beyond highly monitored and clearly stacked against those critical ...but allowed the white nationalists to feel like they were having open dialogue and had the generally more superior stance. But I like to know what makes people tick, including things I'm diametrically opposed to. It was a very large, very active board yet in my time there I only saw 1 or 2 mormons. Their reasoning was so holey when they tried to tie LDS constructs as justifications that I could rip it to pieces in a few posts (though I'm sure they saw it differently). I just don't see a large presence. Though I'm sure some of her followers on Twitter and youtube watchers are mormon, because she plays to a larger movement of alt-right folk a lot of her foot traffic won't be mormon at all. To me these people are apart of a movement fighting against the inevitable. It's a fear response to change mixed in with a loss of sense of self and culture as well as a (seriously misguided and historically wonky) reestablishment of a sense of identity. Among other things. With luv, BD Edited March 26, 2017 by BlueDreams 1 Link to comment
BlueDreams Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, clarkgoble said: There have always been racist Mormons. Wasn't Bo Gritz Mormon for a while? That whole area up in Idaho has a reasonable number of Mormons and it's not surprising some get taken in by such groups. I doubt there are very many of this group. The bigger worry are well meaning people who maintain a casual racism they aren't aware of. The alt-right types know they're out of harmony with the church in their hearts. This other group doesn't realize what they are doing. It's interesting to see their work-arounds though. So for example, Ayla on her twitter feed actually talks about the iwasastranger intiative that it's introduction was so very obviously about helping refugees they literally had an all women's choir with several refugees purposely in it singing for its introduction. So she focuses on FGM (female genital mutliation). Instead of really working through the apparent contradiction of belief, it's simply side-stepped to another cause that she doesn't feel a philosophical dissonance towards and then rails on it later somewhat incoherently in things like the recent London attack....even though the guy wasn't a refugee and was a UK national, born and raised. The mental back-flips are astounding to me. With luv, BD 1 Link to comment
longview Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 43 minutes ago, Gray said: Turn a blind eye to it if you wish. But the alt right represents a bigger potential threat to the church than either fundamentalists or anti-Mormons. Wow . . . exactly what the left loves to do . . . demonize their opposition . . . part and parcel of MSM . . . 44 minutes ago, Gray said: https://theintellectualist.co/in-move-reminiscent-of-adolph-hitler-trump-to-publish-weekly-list-of-crimes-allegedly-committed-by-immigrants/ All this article is talking about is reporting crimes by illegal aliens (not just immigrants) . . . this was done to point out policies by various government entities that tend to soft peddle prosecution of repeat offenders that keep returning to the states . . . sanctuary cities (and states) do a serious disservice to the middle class (main source of revenue) by taking entitlements from taxpayers and favoring aliens with deluxe services (such as cadillac hospitals in southern California) . . . the left has NO problems with making lists of all kinds . . . they just don't want Trump reporting the adverse effects of their favored big government programs . . . by the way, do you consider yourself to be an intellectualist? 1 Link to comment
Stacy_L Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I'm a Mormon, alt-right, and supporter of Ayla. We are a growing community. Please don't base your opinion of us on a hit piece. She is a bit more provocative than I would like, (keep in mind she is a convert who grew up in vegas) but I agree with most of what she says. We believe race is real, not a "biological construct". We believe that genetics play a significant role in our instincts and the decisions we make. We see these differences play out in the societies we create and also in voting patterns. The majority of whites vote for smaller government while majority of non-whites vote for bigger government. If we fail to stop the current demographic trend, people like me (small government, pro constitution) will never have a say in another presidential election. Demographics is destiny! We also reject that diversity is a strength. It was shocking for me when I learned this because I've heard it my whole life. The truth is that diversity is a weakness. Studies show that the higher the diversity, the less social cohesion and trust there is. People are more likely to invest themselves in communities that are more likely to share their culture and values, and race is a big indicator of that. We are mostly ethnic nationalists. We believe every race has a right to self determination. Japan should be for the Japanese, Britain should be for the British, Pakistan should be for Pakistanis. Being pro-white doesn't mean you hate other races, I know plenty of Mexican Mormons who advocate in the interest of their race and don't consider it hate. Being pro-white doesn't mean you can't be friends with people of other races either. It just means that you recognize that we live in a tribal world and if white people cannot make decisions in our best interest when every other race on the planet is, we will be in for some hard times. Lastly, as a mother, I don't want my children to grow up in a world where they have no ethnic homeland. These demographic changes aren't just happening in the U.S. They are happening in almost every west European country. We are all being ethnically replaced by our own governments Through massive amounts of non-white immigration and higher non-white birth rates. Elder perry actually expressed the same concern over demographics in this talk back in 2005. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2005/04/what-seek-ye?lang=eng Link to comment
MiserereNobis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, longview said: the derangement of the extreme left is VERY breathtaking . . . 12 minutes ago, longview said: Wow . . . exactly what the left loves to do . . . demonize their opposition um.... Link to comment
MiserereNobis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Stacy_L said: The majority of whites vote for smaller government while majority of non-whites vote for bigger government. Do you believe that the democratic socialist governments of Europe over the past 50 years were voted in by whites or non-whites? Edited March 26, 2017 by MiserereNobis 1 Link to comment
Popular Post MiserereNobis Posted March 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2017 16 minutes ago, Stacy_L said: We are mostly ethnic nationalists. We believe every race has a right to self determination. Japan should be for the Japanese, Britain should be for the British, Pakistan should be for Pakistanis. And America should be for the ... Native Americans? 6 Link to comment
Stacy_L Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Most native Americans died from diseases brought by the Europeans unknowingly. We warred with the remaining tribes for hundreds of years. Why? Because diversity+proximity=war. Multiculturalism is unnatural. It is our attempt to undo what God did at the Tower of Babel. Plus, if it was wrong then, wouldn't that make it wrong now? 16 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: And America should be for the ... Native Americans? Link to comment
Stacy_L Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 31 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: Do you believe that the democratic socialist governments of Europe over the past 50 years were voted in by whites or non-whites? I was referring to in the U.S. Link to comment
MiserereNobis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Stacy_L said: I was referring to in the U.S. Then you should probably include the historical backgrounds. In the US, the non-white populations were subjugated. Africans were brought over as slaves, and it took a federal government (big government) to defeat a renegade collection of states (claiming states' rights and small government) to outlaw slavery. Then, in the 1950s and 1960s, the push for equal rights for non-whites was opposed again by those claiming small government, and it was the federal government (big government again) that forced the end of institutional racism. I can very easily see why non-whites would prefer a government that stopped people from enslaving them and denying them civil rights. What is your position on slavery, the civil war, and the civil rights movement, as relates to big government? 4 Link to comment
Popular Post MiserereNobis Posted March 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Stacy_L said: Most native Americans died from diseases brought by the Europeans unknowingly. We warred with the remaining tribes for hundreds of years. Why? Because diversity+proximity=war. Multiculturalism is unnatural. It is our attempt to undo what God did at the Tower of Babel. Plus, if it was wrong then, wouldn't that make it wrong now? You didn't answer my question. If "Japan should be for the Japanese, Britain should be for the British, Pakistan should be for Pakistanis" then shouldn't America be for the Native Americans? By your own logic, the whites in America are the intruders (the immigrants) and thus America's policy should be pro-Native and anti-White, yes? Edited March 26, 2017 by MiserereNobis 7 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Stacy_L said: I'm a Mormon, alt-right, and supporter of Ayla. We are a growing community. Please don't base your opinion of us on a hit piece. She is a bit more provocative than I would like, (keep in mind she is a convert who grew up in vegas) but I agree with most of what she says. We believe race is real, not a "biological construct". We believe that genetics play a significant role in our instincts and the decisions we make. We see these differences play out in the societies we create and also in voting patterns. The majority of whites vote for smaller government while majority of non-whites vote for bigger government. If we fail to stop the current demographic trend, people like me (small government, pro constitution) will never have a say in another presidential election. Demographics is destiny! We also reject that diversity is a strength. It was shocking for me when I learned this because I've heard it my whole life. The truth is that diversity is a weakness. Studies show that the higher the diversity, the less social cohesion and trust there is. People are more likely to invest themselves in communities that are more likely to share their culture and values, and race is a big indicator of that. We are mostly ethnic nationalists. We believe every race has a right to self determination. Japan should be for the Japanese, Britain should be for the British, Pakistan should be for Pakistanis. Being pro-white doesn't mean you hate other races, I know plenty of Mexican Mormons who advocate in the interest of their race and don't consider it hate. Being pro-white doesn't mean you can't be friends with people of other races either. It just means that you recognize that we live in a tribal world and if white people cannot make decisions in our best interest when every other race on the planet is, we will be in for some hard times. Lastly, as a mother, I don't want my children to grow up in a world where they have no ethnic homeland. These demographic changes aren't just happening in the U.S. They are happening in almost every west European country. We are all being ethnically replaced by our own governments Through massive amounts of non-white immigration and higher non-white birth rates. Elder perry actually expressed the same concern over demographics in this talk back in 2005. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2005/04/what-seek-ye?lang=eng Lame! 2 Link to comment
Popular Post BlueDreams Posted March 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stacy_L said: I'm a Mormon, alt-right, and supporter of Ayla. We are a growing community. Please don't base your opinion of us on a hit piece. She is a bit more provocative than I would like, (keep in mind she is a convert who grew up in vegas) but I agree with most of what she says. We believe race is real, not a "biological construct". We believe that genetics play a significant role in our instincts and the decisions we make. We see these differences play out in the societies we create and also in voting patterns. The majority of whites vote for smaller government while majority of non-whites vote for bigger government. If we fail to stop the current demographic trend, people like me (small government, pro constitution) will never have a say in another presidential election. Demographics is destiny! We also reject that diversity is a strength. It was shocking for me when I learned this because I've heard it my whole life. The truth is that diversity is a weakness. Studies show that the higher the diversity, the less social cohesion and trust there is. People are more likely to invest themselves in communities that are more likely to share their culture and values, and race is a big indicator of that. We are mostly ethnic nationalists. We believe every race has a right to self determination. Japan should be for the Japanese, Britain should be for the British, Pakistan should be for Pakistanis. Being pro-white doesn't mean you hate other races, I know plenty of Mexican Mormons who advocate in the interest of their race and don't consider it hate. Being pro-white doesn't mean you can't be friends with people of other races either. It just means that you recognize that we live in a tribal world and if white people cannot make decisions in our best interest when every other race on the planet is, we will be in for some hard times. Lastly, as a mother, I don't want my children to grow up in a world where they have no ethnic homeland. These demographic changes aren't just happening in the U.S. They are happening in almost every west European country. We are all being ethnically replaced by our own governments Through massive amounts of non-white immigration and higher non-white birth rates. Elder perry actually expressed the same concern over demographics in this talk back in 2005. https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2005/04/what-seek-ye?lang=eng Hello Stacy and welcome to the board. First, I am probably the one on the board most diametrically opposed to just about everything you've stated on this post. I don't say that to be confrontational but honest and open. You see I don't just have an ideological difference (I do) my family and personal background run counter to this narrative. In just my immediate family, I have family members who have been in-country refugees during civil war, several racial/ethnic groups, including Mexican-american, Nigerian, white American from largely german/english stock, Navajo, Pacific Islander, and Moroccan/Arab mixed in there, somewhere. My extended family is gearing up to celebrate the marriage of my cousin to a wonderful Japanese-American woman and there are a number of other families that are mixed ethnically. Though my family has its problems, diversity wasn't...and still isn't the big problem. So that said, Race is most definitely a social construct that can have real life implications. These constructs are based on arbitrary physical cues that we deem important and confusing cultural cues as near instinctive. I see this in play all the time. But lets take a silly one as an example. Before I was 18 I had no capacity to dance or keep a meaningful beat. None. So people would joke that my "white genes" were showing. Then, through a lot of practice I learned to dance. I was expecially good with african dance, a chinese fan dance ironically, and most of all latin dancing. And then suddenly my minority heritages played a role...that they didn't....but you know, I looked the part...sooo....yeah. Likewise, politically, when I was a teen I took one of those weird political ideology tests and scored right leaning or moderately conservative. A few years later I was leaning more and more left of center and would consider myself democratic leaning most days. I didn't start out instinctively leaning towards "bigger government" I just became more jaded about market solutions and more concerned about potential human rights violations and protections for vulnerable populations. Many of whom I had close friendships with and knew their stories and struggles well. Oh and education. Even though I went to a place not exactly known for being a bastion for progressive attitudes and liberals (ie. BYU). This wasn't a latent trigger into black genes and mexican cultural residues....my nigerian father can be quite jaded about politics period and my TexMex step-father leans republican pretty dang hard. It was a product of environment and exposure to certain issues. White voters may be more likely to vote in ways that encourage smaller government, but this has a lot to do with cultural heritage/trends than anything else. The rate among whites also changes drastically based on things like education level, gender, and socioeconomic status. Demographics aren't destiny but they can definitely shape experience. So a white many from rural Utah who received only a high school diploma is most likely going to vote in ways that encourage small government. But a white woman from NYC who received a masters degree is most likely going to vote in a way that supports big. Its not genetic intuition. Diversity IS a strength when done right. Lets take this out of race for a second and put it into religion. Having a a bunch of people from varying belief structures doesn't automatically equal strength, particularly if they just happen to be neighbors but only minimally interact. Which is quite common in modern society/neighborhoods. But if they get together for a specific cause or with a specific purpose (to better understand and find value in each other) they often will have a more enriching experience. If they come together contentiously and to argue about religious tenets to prove a point they are likely to come away more divided and with a reduced sense of community than when they left. I have seen diversity done well and done poorly. But the well is Zion-esque and products of some of my most beautiful experiences. These were able to find value and learning from differing cultural and ethnic experiences. They brought them together to help fulfill a greater purpose than any one group. They created friendships, respect, and compassion in a way that was more tangible and more aware of the world around them. Majority dominate groups have problems with group think, large blind spots, and can at times be hostile and resistant to change. On ethnic nationalism...that loses a lot of meaning in about all of the Americas. But particularly the US which as a nation started as a land of immigrants that ended up displacing the native inhabitants. Its national entity is a story of ethnic mixing. And changing the goal post to a generalized "white" depiction doesn't change the fact that what is "white" today was not "white" a century or 2 ago. Our stories is not of a unilateral "homeland" but a patchwork of displaced, opportunist, down trodden, wealth booned, and lost/broken peoples. We have NEVER been the ethnic nationalist fantasy where each land has their own intrinsic peoples. In my experience, being "pro-white" may not stop you from having minority friends, but it most certainly limits the friendship. Being too entrenched into this view simply reduces what you can or cannot see. I don't say this to scream "ignorant" at you. I say this from experience as a mixed woman. I share my experiences when I know there is openness to receive them. I taper or choose what to share judiciously when the circles become overwhelmingly homogeneous in views. This can especially happen in white circles. And with alt-right/pro-white narratives around minority experience (such as the narrative you write for Native American populations) often are in direct conflict with what the minority groups stories about their own experience entails. I would also talk more about some of the distinctions from what I see of "pro-white" v "pro-mexican" or whatever other minority group. But it's growing late and I do love my sleep. I will simply state that there are differences. But one of the big ones I see has to do with power and voice differentials. For many minorities its about having their voice, concerns, etc simply having a place at the table....a table that has historically been white. Pro-white groups, IMO often interact in a way that reads "threat" when what was once all mashed potatoes and gravy, now is reshuffled to include some dishes of sushi, fufu, and chorizo around the table as well. Instead of seeing a greater palate experience they're like the person who struggles to integrate new tastes and experiences as enjoyable. As a daughter, sister, and friend as well as an aspiring mother who will likely have children who hold diverse ethnic and racial heritages, my desire is simple. I want a land and home I know they have place and space to flourish. Not inspite of their differences but because who they are is needed in the human tapestry. A land and home where they can be with their white and black and native and brown and asian and thoroughly mixed cousins and friends and feel welcomed. At home. I want America. My America. The America I see all around me all the time. I am in no way being "ethnically replaced" I am being "ethnically enriched and added." Sometimes that process is messy. But it is worth it. And I want my children to see a world. Humanity. The rainbow children of God. Not just the confines of a tribe. P.S. it seems Ironic to me to bring up tribes. Separating into kin-based tribes was one of the symptoms of a broken Nephite/lamanite peoples. One of my favorite passages about it, included the 3 Nephi 7 where they separate into tribes after the destruction of the unified governing system. It describes a temporary fragile period described as having "no wars" but purposely NOT described as having peace. It's repeatedly described as iniquitous. Tribalism gave them a sense of security, but it wasn't actual abiding peace. Cloistering ourselves into homelands have done nothing to build the peace and security we actually need for our children. With luv, BD Edited March 26, 2017 by BlueDreams 6 Link to comment
Calm Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Gray said: The alt-right is a white supremacist movement. You can live in denial if you like, but that's exactly what it is. Most trump supporters are not a part of the alt-right. They voted for Trump because they found his rhetoric convincing (although many are waking up now). But call it alt-right, white nationalism or what have you, it's just the Klan all over again. Turn a blind eye to it if you wish. But the alt right represents a bigger potential threat to the church than either fundamentalists or anti-Mormons. https://theintellectualist.co/in-move-reminiscent-of-adolph-hitler-trump-to-publish-weekly-list-of-crimes-allegedly-committed-by-immigrants/ "Potential threat" in what way? That the Church will be associated with them in people's minds or that it will take out significant numbers of members? Link to comment
Stacy_L Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 25 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: You didn't answer my question. If "Japan should be for the Japanese, Britain should be for the British, Pakistan should be for Pakistanis" then shouldn't America be for the Native Americans? By your own logic, the whites in America are the intruders (the immigrants) and thus America's policy should be pro-Native and anti-White, yes? First of all, weren't the nephites here first? And weren't the nephites white? America doesn't exist until the Europeans. Without our culture, our laws, our systems, America would not exist. Europeans settled mostly vacant land. Yes we had wars. We did terrible things to them, they did terrible things to us. But we have since shared the land and allowed them full sovereignty so they can preserve their heritage and culture. We also provide citizenship, welfare, and food stamps. Also, my ancestors weren't immigrants but settlers who sacrificed their lives and livelihoods for THEIR posterity, not for Mexicans and Muslims. The US was intended to be a European society period. Saying we deserve what is happening to us for what our ancestors did to the Indians would be like saying the lamanites deserved it for what they did to the nephites. Link to comment
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