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This is is disturbing:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/meet-the-alt-right-mormons-inside-the-churchs-vocal-white?utm_term=.irw6D5G87#.fiOwJz0ej

Church leaders have made it clear that racism is not acceptable in any form. But it would good to have an explicit denunciation of this group. This is the KKK rebranded for the 21st century. This goes beyond politics and strikes at the heart of Christian morality.

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2 hours ago, Gray said:

Church leaders have made it clear that racism is not acceptable in any form. But it would good to have an explicit denunciation of this group. This is the KKK rebranded for the 21st century. This goes beyond politics and strikes at the heart of Christian morality.

There have always been racist Mormons. Wasn't Bo Gritz Mormon for a while? That whole area up in Idaho has a reasonable number of Mormons and it's not surprising some get taken in by such groups. I doubt there are very many of this group. The bigger worry are well meaning people who maintain a casual racism they aren't aware of. The alt-right types know they're out of harmony with the church in their hearts. This other group doesn't realize what they are doing.

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Never heard of "Ayla" . . . this reporter, Jim Dalrymple, appears to be a typical leftist journalist (read propagandist) that is part of the mass effort to demonize Trump as being "racist" . . . which is weird because he was never considered that before he tossed his hat into the ring . . . arguing for a secure border is NOT racist because legal immigration allows for ALL race, ALL ethnicity, ALL heritage . . . 

I have been hearing this term "Alt-Right" for the past year but I have not really seen a good definition for it . . . several different kinds of organizations claim that title for themselves . . . it seems to have something to do with Trump's advisor, Steve Bannon . . . but Bannon grew up in multi-ethnic urban Richmond (his parents insisted on staying rather than moving out to the suburbs) . . .he attended Virginia Tech and served as president of Student Government Association . . . here is the article from his hometown newspaper

Your use of the term "KKK" is a vile slander against Trump supporters . . . I am a Trump fan and very grateful for him . . . just because the people have voted to roll back the excesses of giant government does NOT mean Berkeley students have the right to viciously attack conservatives from speaking at the forum and to prevent students and others who are interested in attending . . . the derangement of the extreme left is VERY breathtaking . . .

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11 minutes ago, clarkgoble said:

There have always been racist Mormons. Wasn't Bo Gritz Mormon for a while? That whole area up in Idaho has a reasonable number of Mormons and it's not surprising some get taken in by such groups. I doubt there are very many of this group. The bigger worry are well meaning people who maintain a casual racism they aren't aware of. The alt-right types know they're out of harmony with the church in their hearts. This other group doesn't realize what they are doing.

The difference is the alt right, for now at least, have taken over the White House. They're a minority but they're powerful.

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25 minutes ago, SeekerB said:

Isn't alt right a made up term by the left to discredit any kind of conservative position?

In a similar fashion to how the Westboro Baptist Church is a household name yet only has ~40 members but gets a reasonable amount of attention for announcing protests but then almost never actually follows through.

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9 minutes ago, longview said:

Never heard of "Ayla" . . . this reporter, Jim Dalrymple, appears to be a typical leftist journalist (read propagandist) that is part of the mass effort to demonize Trump as being "racist" . . . which is weird because he was never considered that before he tossed his hat into the ring . . . arguing for a secure border is NOT racist because legal immigration allows for ALL race, ALL ethnicity, ALL heritage . . . 

I have been hearing this term "Alt-Right" for the past year but I have not really seen a good definition for it . . . several different kinds of organizations claim that title for themselves . . . it seems to have something to do with Trump's advisor, Steve Bannon . . . but Bannon grew up in multi-ethnic urban Richmond (his parents insisted on staying rather than moving out to the suburbs) . . .he attended Virginia Tech and served as president of Student Government Association . . . here is the article from his hometown newspaper

Your use of the term "KKK" is a vile slander against Trump supporters . . . I am a Trump fan and very grateful for him . . . just because the people have voted to roll back the excesses of giant government does NOT mean Berkeley students have the right to viciously attack conservatives from speaking at the forum and to prevent students and others who are interested in attending . . . the derangement of the extreme left is VERY breathtaking . . .

The alt-right is a white supremacist movement. You can live in denial if you like, but that's exactly what it is.

Most trump supporters are not a part of the alt-right. They voted for Trump because they found his rhetoric convincing (although many are waking up now). But call it alt-right, white nationalism or what have you, it's just the Klan all over again.

Turn a blind eye to it if you wish. But the alt right represents a bigger potential threat to the church than either fundamentalists or anti-Mormons.

https://theintellectualist.co/in-move-reminiscent-of-adolph-hitler-trump-to-publish-weekly-list-of-crimes-allegedly-committed-by-immigrants/

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20 minutes ago, Gray said:

No, lots of people self-identify as alt-right.

 

20 minutes ago, Gray said:

The difference is the alt right, for now at least, have taken over the White House. They're a minority but they're powerful.

Can you name one person working in the White House who self-identifies as “alt-right?”  

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3 hours ago, Gray said:

This is is disturbing:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/meet-the-alt-right-mormons-inside-the-churchs-vocal-white?utm_term=.irw6D5G87#.fiOwJz0ej

Church leaders have made it clear that racism is not acceptable in any form. But it would good to have an explicit denunciation of this group. This is the KKK rebranded for the 21st century. This goes beyond politics and strikes at the heart of Christian morality.

I saw her commentary on James The Mormon from a date I was on who also found it pretty disturbing. I found it more laughable and sent it to my little brother to giggle with him. His exact words included "Just read it. Not going to lie. She seems a little crazy to me." and "yea, i checked out her twitter page and she just seems like a lunatic." He's your average senior in high school from an average suburb of a sprawling Texas metroplex who also likes James the mormon quite a bit. We both chuckled a bit in our texts. I thought of posting it here, but thought it wasn't worth it, because woman's on the fringe in mormondom IMHO....sure pieces of what she says I can find scattered in member's thoughts and behaviors at times, but having the aggregated whole of what she's proclaiming....not so much. 

A few years back I lurked and posted a handful of times on a white nationalist board for curiosity's sake. It was on their weird part of the board that allowed for people critical of their movement to debate them. I say weird because it was beyond highly monitored and clearly stacked against those critical ...but allowed the white nationalists to feel like they were having open dialogue and had the generally more superior stance. But I like to know what makes people tick, including things I'm diametrically opposed to. It was a very large, very active board yet in my time there I only saw 1 or 2 mormons. Their reasoning was so holey when they tried to tie LDS constructs as justifications that I could rip it to pieces in a few posts (though I'm sure they saw it differently). I just don't see a large presence. Though I'm sure some of her followers on Twitter and youtube watchers are mormon, because she plays to a larger movement of alt-right folk a lot of her foot traffic won't be mormon at all.

To me these people are apart of a movement fighting against the inevitable. It's a fear response to change mixed in with a loss of sense of self and culture as well as a (seriously misguided and historically wonky) reestablishment of a sense of identity. Among other things. 

 

With luv,

BD

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1 hour ago, clarkgoble said:

There have always been racist Mormons. Wasn't Bo Gritz Mormon for a while? That whole area up in Idaho has a reasonable number of Mormons and it's not surprising some get taken in by such groups. I doubt there are very many of this group. The bigger worry are well meaning people who maintain a casual racism they aren't aware of. The alt-right types know they're out of harmony with the church in their hearts. This other group doesn't realize what they are doing.

It's interesting to see their work-arounds though. So for example, Ayla on her twitter feed actually talks about the iwasastranger intiative that it's introduction was so very obviously about helping refugees they literally had an all women's choir with several refugees purposely in it singing for its introduction. So she focuses on FGM (female genital mutliation). Instead of really working through the apparent contradiction of belief, it's simply side-stepped to another cause that she doesn't feel a philosophical dissonance towards and then rails on it later somewhat incoherently in things like the recent London attack....even though the guy wasn't a refugee and was a UK national, born and raised. The mental back-flips are astounding to me.

With luv,

BD

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43 minutes ago, Gray said:

Turn a blind eye to it if you wish. But the alt right represents a bigger potential threat to the church than either fundamentalists or anti-Mormons.

Wow . . . exactly what the left loves to do . . . demonize their opposition . . . part and parcel of MSM . . .

44 minutes ago, Gray said:

All this article is talking about is reporting crimes by illegal aliens (not just immigrants) . . . this was done to point out policies by various government entities that tend to soft peddle prosecution of repeat offenders that keep returning to the states . . . sanctuary cities (and states) do a serious disservice to the middle class (main source of revenue) by taking entitlements from taxpayers and favoring aliens with deluxe services (such as cadillac hospitals in southern California) . . . the left has NO problems with making lists of all kinds . . . they just don't want Trump reporting the adverse effects of their favored big government programs . . . by the way, do you consider yourself to be an intellectualist?

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I'm a Mormon, alt-right, and supporter of Ayla.  We are a growing community. Please don't base your opinion of us on a hit piece. 

She is a bit more provocative than I would like, (keep in mind she is a convert who grew up in vegas) but I agree with most of what she says. We believe race is real, not a "biological construct".  We believe that genetics play a significant role in our instincts and the decisions we make. We see these differences play out in the societies we create and also in voting patterns.  The majority of whites vote for smaller government while majority of non-whites vote for bigger government.

If we fail to stop the current demographic trend, people like me (small government, pro constitution) will never have a say in another presidential election. Demographics is destiny! 

We also reject that diversity is a strength. It was shocking for me when I learned this because I've heard it my whole life. The truth is that diversity is a weakness. Studies show that the higher the diversity, the less social cohesion and trust there is. People are more likely to invest themselves in communities that are more likely to share their culture and values, and race is a big indicator of that.

We are mostly ethnic nationalists. We believe every race has a right to self determination. Japan should be for the Japanese, Britain should be for the British, Pakistan should be for Pakistanis. 

Being pro-white doesn't mean you hate other races, I know plenty of Mexican Mormons who advocate in the interest of their race and don't consider it hate. Being pro-white doesn't mean you can't be friends with people of other races either. It just means that you recognize that we live in a tribal world and if white people cannot make decisions in our best interest when every other race on the planet is, we will be in for some hard times.

Lastly, as a mother, I don't want my children to grow up in a world where they have no ethnic homeland. These demographic changes aren't just happening in the U.S. They are happening in almost every west European country. We are all being ethnically replaced by our own governments Through massive amounts of non-white immigration and higher non-white birth rates.  Elder perry actually expressed the same concern over demographics in this talk back in 2005.  https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2005/04/what-seek-ye?lang=eng

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10 minutes ago, Stacy_L said:

The majority of whites vote for smaller government while majority of non-whites vote for bigger government.

Do you believe that the democratic socialist governments of Europe over the past 50 years were voted in by whites or non-whites?

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Most native Americans died from diseases brought by the Europeans unknowingly. We warred with the remaining tribes for hundreds of years. Why? Because diversity+proximity=war.  Multiculturalism is unnatural. It is our attempt to undo what God did at the Tower of Babel.

Plus, if it was wrong then, wouldn't that make it wrong now?

16 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

And America should be for the ... Native Americans?

 

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4 minutes ago, Stacy_L said:

I was referring to in the U.S. 

Then you should probably include the historical backgrounds. In the US, the non-white populations were subjugated. Africans were brought over as slaves, and it took a federal government (big government) to defeat a renegade collection of states (claiming states' rights and small government) to outlaw slavery. Then, in the 1950s and 1960s, the push for equal rights for non-whites was opposed again by those claiming small government, and it was the federal government (big government again) that forced the end of institutional racism. I can very easily see why non-whites would prefer a government that stopped people from enslaving them and denying them civil rights.

What is your position on slavery, the civil war, and the civil rights movement, as relates to big government?

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1 hour ago, Stacy_L said:

I'm a Mormon, alt-right, and supporter of Ayla.  We are a growing community. Please don't base your opinion of us on a hit piece. 

She is a bit more provocative than I would like, (keep in mind she is a convert who grew up in vegas) but I agree with most of what she says. We believe race is real, not a "biological construct".  We believe that genetics play a significant role in our instincts and the decisions we make. We see these differences play out in the societies we create and also in voting patterns.  The majority of whites vote for smaller government while majority of non-whites vote for bigger government.

If we fail to stop the current demographic trend, people like me (small government, pro constitution) will never have a say in another presidential election. Demographics is destiny! 

We also reject that diversity is a strength. It was shocking for me when I learned this because I've heard it my whole life. The truth is that diversity is a weakness. Studies show that the higher the diversity, the less social cohesion and trust there is. People are more likely to invest themselves in communities that are more likely to share their culture and values, and race is a big indicator of that.

We are mostly ethnic nationalists. We believe every race has a right to self determination. Japan should be for the Japanese, Britain should be for the British, Pakistan should be for Pakistanis. 

Being pro-white doesn't mean you hate other races, I know plenty of Mexican Mormons who advocate in the interest of their race and don't consider it hate. Being pro-white doesn't mean you can't be friends with people of other races either. It just means that you recognize that we live in a tribal world and if white people cannot make decisions in our best interest when every other race on the planet is, we will be in for some hard times.

Lastly, as a mother, I don't want my children to grow up in a world where they have no ethnic homeland. These demographic changes aren't just happening in the U.S. They are happening in almost every west European country. We are all being ethnically replaced by our own governments Through massive amounts of non-white immigration and higher non-white birth rates.  Elder perry actually expressed the same concern over demographics in this talk back in 2005.  https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2005/04/what-seek-ye?lang=eng

Lame!

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2 hours ago, Gray said:

The alt-right is a white supremacist movement. You can live in denial if you like, but that's exactly what it is.

Most trump supporters are not a part of the alt-right. They voted for Trump because they found his rhetoric convincing (although many are waking up now). But call it alt-right, white nationalism or what have you, it's just the Klan all over again.

Turn a blind eye to it if you wish. But the alt right represents a bigger potential threat to the church than either fundamentalists or anti-Mormons.

https://theintellectualist.co/in-move-reminiscent-of-adolph-hitler-trump-to-publish-weekly-list-of-crimes-allegedly-committed-by-immigrants/

"Potential threat" in what way?  That the Church will be associated with them in people's minds or that it will take out significant numbers of members?

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25 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

You didn't answer my question. If "Japan should be for the Japanese, Britain should be for the British, Pakistan should be for Pakistanis" then shouldn't America be for the Native Americans? By your own logic, the whites in America are the intruders (the immigrants) and thus America's policy should be pro-Native and anti-White, yes?

First of all, weren't the nephites here first? And weren't the nephites white? 

America doesn't exist until the Europeans.   Without our culture, our laws, our systems, America would not exist.

Europeans settled mostly vacant land.  Yes we had wars. We did terrible things to them, they did terrible things to us. But we have since shared the land and allowed them full sovereignty so they can preserve their heritage and culture. We also provide citizenship, welfare, and food stamps. 

Also, my ancestors weren't immigrants but settlers who sacrificed their lives and livelihoods for THEIR posterity, not for Mexicans and Muslims. The US was intended to be a European society period.

Saying we deserve what is happening to us for what our ancestors did to the Indians would be like saying the lamanites deserved it for what they did to the nephites. 

 

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