Johnnie Cake Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) In a newly released leak, the temple ordinance records of several famous/infamous historical figures has been leaked. This one will cause a public relations uproar from the Jewish community not only because it contains famous Jews but also the temple work records of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. The names of Native American Indian Chiefs were also leaked. This is embarrassing for the church for so many reasons https://mormonleaks.io/newsroom/2017-02-21-mormonleaks-releases-records-documenting-temple-ordinances-of-seventeen-public-figures/ the church agreed to stop doing temple work for holocaust victims in 1991...and yet it continues http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html Edited February 21, 2017 by Johnnie Cake 1 Link to comment
bluebell Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Can you outline the reasons? 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Jane_Doe Posted February 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) The word "leak" implies that there was something secret or new about this In reality this topic has been rehashed a million times and the records available to whomever wants to see them. Hardly a "leak", embarrassing, or news worthy. Edited February 21, 2017 by Jane_Doe 5 Link to comment
Ahab Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I see it as an opportunity for us to give some more reasons for why we do what we do in there. Even if people don't like what we say. Link to comment
Johnnie Cake Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, bluebell said: Can you outline the reasons? Why its embarrassing? Link to comment
bluebell Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, Johnnie Cake said: Why its embarrassing? You said it was embarrassing for the church for so many reasons. I'd like to hear the many reasons. 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Johnnie Cake Posted February 21, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bluebell said: You said it was embarrassing for the church for so many reasons. I'd like to hear the many reasons. 01. Adolf Hitler <--- enough said 02. Baptizing Jews after agreeing to stop 03. Baptizing Native American Chiefs...an affront to native Americans (yes they will be offended) 04. Baptizing Bob Marley (an affront to Bob Marley fans :-) I'm embarrassed for the church...they won't baptize the children of a legally married gay couples but they'll baptize Adolf Hitler and worse yet seal him to his wife Eva Braun Edited February 21, 2017 by Johnnie Cake 8 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Quote Another Mormon Leak: This one is Damaging to Church Public Image He crowed loudly from the rooftops? If one doesn't relish the thought of another person suspecting his motives, then perhaps he should consider whether his words, apparent attitudes, and actions might give people just cause to suspect those motives? Give us your best sales pitch about why you are part of the loyal opposition. (No, really, you are.) Personally, that strikes me as the equivalent of peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining, but, hey! Whatever works! Just sayin'! Edited February 21, 2017 by Kenngo1969 2 Link to comment
Ahab Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, Johnnie Cake said: 01. Adolf Hitler <--- enough said 02. Baptizing Jews after agreeing to stop 03. Baptizing Native American Chiefs...an affront to native Americans (yes they will be offended) 04. Baptizing Bob Marley (an affront to Bob Marley fans :-) All sinners need all the ordinances offered in the temple to have as much fruit as our Lord wants us to have before he rewards someone with as much glory/intelligence as he and our Father have. Those who don't have that much fruit won't be getting as much. But it's not the fruit that saves us. It is our Lord who saves us and it is then up to us to produce our own fruit. 1 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: I'm embarrassed for the church... Are you really, now? Oh. Okay. (Pee isn't rain.) Edited February 21, 2017 by Kenngo1969 3 Link to comment
JulieM Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: The word "leak" implies that there was something secret or new about this In reality this topic has been rehashed a million times and the records available to whomever wants to see them. Hardly a "leak", embarrassing, or news worthy. At least some of it was known, but it had tried to be deleted or hidden in the past: http://nowscape.com/mormon/hitler_temple_records.htm Edited February 21, 2017 by JulieM Link to comment
Jane_Doe Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: 01. Adolf Hitler <--- enough said 02. Baptizing Jews after agreeing to stop 03. Baptizing Native American Chiefs...an affront to native Americans (yes they will be offended) 04. Baptizing Bob Marley (an affront to Bob Marley fans :-) I'm embarrassed for the church... Your embarrassment doesn't make a lot of sense. Did you not understand LDS beliefs, or just find out about this? 2 Link to comment
bluebell Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: 01. Adolf Hitler <--- enough said 02. Baptizing Jews after agreeing to stop 03. Baptizing Native American Chiefs...an affront to native Americans (yes they will be offended) 04. Baptizing Bob Marley (an affront to Bob Marley fans :-) I'm embarrassed for the church... So in your belief, doing something someone else won't like is a reason to be embarrassed? 1 Link to comment
clarkgoble Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Yeah, nothing new here. Trying to tell when a member submits their family names who is or isn't a Jew is a non-trivial problem. Extraction of known Jewish records was stopped. They've also cracked down on people submitting names of people they're not related to. (Back in the day I did the work for many famous scientists including Gauss whose religious quest I found fascinating and felt a connection to) So this is nothing new and comes up like clockwork every few years. As others noted it's hardly hidden either. Anyone with an account (most members) can look this stuff up. What's more interesting is that these leakers haven't found anything particularly interesting at all after months of trying. I kind of figured they'd at least find something of interest. It's all been pretty meh. Edited February 21, 2017 by clarkgoble 4 Link to comment
JulieM Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: 02. Baptizing Jews after agreeing to stop Is this still happening? I haven't looked at the leak, was this recent? Link to comment
RevTestament Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: Are you really, now? (Pee isn't rain.) priceless Link to comment
JulieM Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, bluebell said: So in your belief, doing something someone else won't like is a reason to be embarrassed? If it's doing something they said they wouldn't do, then yes. 1 Link to comment
Gray Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Already a thread on this: Link to comment
Duncan Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I thought that agreement was much later then 1991 1 Link to comment
RevTestament Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Johnnie Cake said: In a newly released leak, the temple ordinance records of several famous/infamous historical figures has been leaked. This one will cause a public relations uproar from the Jewish community not only because it contains famous Jews but also the temple work records of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. The names of Native American Indian Chiefs were also leaked. This is embarrassing for the church for so many reasons https://mormonleaks.io/newsroom/2017-02-21-mormonleaks-releases-records-documenting-temple-ordinances-of-seventeen-public-figures/ the church agreed to stop doing temple work for holocaust victims in 1991...and yet it continues http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html I haven't looked at the leak, but actually that is NOT what the Church promised. Any Jewish converts or other descendants can continue to do baptisms for their deceased relatives even if they happen to be holocaust victims. The deal was not to just get names off a list of victims. I don't think that applies to names from census, birth records, etc. Now you seem to expect the church to conduct research as to whether every name it receives was a holocaust victim. 53 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: 01. Adolf Hitler <--- enough said Like others here, I have to say he is a sinner, and may have a chance to repent. 02. Baptizing Jews after agreeing to stop See above 03. Baptizing Native American Chiefs...an affront to native Americans (yes they will be offended) I am glad you feel empowered to speak for them - ok maybe not. Actually it seems as presumptuous of you as you believe the Church is being. 04. Baptizing Bob Marley (an affront to Bob Marley fans :-) Hah. I happen to be one of those fans. Funny I don't feel offended at all..... I'm embarrassed for the church...they won't baptize the children of a legally married gay couples but they'll baptize Adolf Hitler and worse yet seal him to his wife Eva Braun I think you work really hard at feeling embarrassed or offended for others, and splashing that all over the web. You know what? I am entitled to my own feelings without you presuming to speak for me... Edited February 21, 2017 by RevTestament typos 2 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 51 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: In a newly released leak, the temple ordinance records of several famous/infamous historical figures has been leaked. This one will cause a public relations uproar from the Jewish community not only because it contains famous Jews but also the temple work records of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. The names of Native American Indian Chiefs were also leaked. This is embarrassing for the church for so many reasons https://mormonleaks.io/newsroom/2017-02-21-mormonleaks-releases-records-documenting-temple-ordinances-of-seventeen-public-figures/ the church agreed to stop doing temple work for holocaust victims in 1991...and yet it continues http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html The church does not do the work, members do. How do you stop some yahoo for doing what they are not supposed to do? This is a non-issue. Look out or I will put a hex on you. How are you going to stop me? Ridiculous 2 Link to comment
Johnnie Cake Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 37 minutes ago, bluebell said: So in your belief, doing something someone else won't like is a reason to be embarrassed? You are not embarrassed by any of this? Whoa ok Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, clarkgoble said: Yeah, nothing new here. Trying to tell when a member submits their family names who is or isn't a Jew is a non-trivial problem. Extraction of known Jewish records was stopped. They've also cracked down on people submitting names of people they're not related to. (Back in the day I did the work for many famous scientists including Gauss whose religious quest I found fascinating and felt a connection to) So this is nothing new and comes up like clockwork every few years. As others noted it's hardly hidden either. Anyone with an account (most members) can look this stuff up. What's more interesting is that these leakers haven't found anything particularly interesting at all after months of trying. I kind of figured they'd at least find something of interest. It's all been pretty meh. I'm much more accustomed to cyber-seeing you on my infrequent visits to Times and Seasons. Nice to cyber-see you here. You should grace us with your presence here more often. Link to comment
Ahab Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: You are not embarrassed by any of this? Whoa ok Feel like doing a poll? ... to see how many people, if any, are embarrassed by what you are saying? 1 Link to comment
JulieM Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ahab said: Feel like doing a poll? ... to see how many people, if any, are embarrassed by what you are saying? How about we discuss the topic instead of who's embarrassed and who isn't? Let's discuss what the leaks contain and answer some questions that have been asked, ok? Nice distraction tactic though. Edited February 21, 2017 by JulieM Link to comment
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