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24 minutes ago, CV75 said:

Amen -- all I'm seeing is a lot of petty gossip; no facts worth commenting on.

It seems that a disproportionate expectation of financial transparency and suspicion fuel each other (hard to say which comes first) can only degenerate, as in the descent from pettiness over Church business decisions into character assassination over presumed financial privileges enjoyed by the general authorities.

And boy, has this thread ever been a textbook example of that!

Not surprising -- but disgusting nonetheless. If I needed more convincing that having the Church open its books to public gaze is a misguided if not malevolent notion, this thread has provided it. Let this thread stand as an illustration of the carping that is bound to result from such a measure. 

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2 minutes ago, Danzo said:

You do realize that the temple was built 1975,  when the financing of temples was done very differently that it is right now.

Groundbreaking for the Buenos Aires temple was 1983.  Dedicated in 1986.  (I served my mission there just a few years later.  Never heard this story, BTW.)

Regardless, how does that change anything?  Was the church so poor back then that it needed to sacrifice members' health and well being to get a temple built?

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1 minute ago, rockpond said:

I agree with you, Julie.  It's very disturbing... not that the saints of Argentina may have been willing to make such a sacrifice but that our church and its leaders would allow such a thing to occur and then promote it to other countries.  Those fillings had a medical purpose!  It's a horrific story and, if real, would be so embarrassing to Mormons everywhere if widely published.

I sorry you find it horrifying that members of the church wanted to contribute to a temple so much.

It would appear that you value a temple much less than they did. 

I am sure that a certain widow mentioned in the new testament had a much better uses for her mite.  I guess its a horrific story, and if real, it would be embarrassing to Christians everywhere if were widely published.

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2 minutes ago, rockpond said:

Groundbreaking for the Buenos Aires temple was 1983.  Dedicated in 1986.  (I served my mission there just a few years later.  Never heard this story, BTW.)

Regardless, how does that change anything?  Was the church so poor back then that it needed to sacrifice members' health and well being to get a temple built?

Elder Faust was referring tho the Sao Paulo Temple. not the Buenas Aires temple.

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Just now, Danzo said:

I sorry you find it horrifying that members of the church wanted to contribute to a temple so much.

It would appear that you value a temple much less than they did. 

I am sure that a certain widow mentioned in the new testament had a much better uses for her mite.  I guess its a horrific story, and if real, it would be embarrassing to Christians everywhere if were widely published.

If you'd read what I wrote you would notice that I said it didn't bother me that the Saints were willing to do it, it bothered me that our wealthy church allowed them to do it!  This is not the widow's might, it's the widow giving up her health and well being.  We don't need to ask for that and we shouldn't be asking for it much less promoting it to another country.

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1 minute ago, Danzo said:

Elder Faust was referring tho the Sao Paulo Temple. not the Buenas Aires temple.

I thought it was the Argentine saints giving up their fillings for their temple?  Did I miss something?  Sao Paulo is Brazil.

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2 minutes ago, Danzo said:

I sorry you find it horrifying that members of the church wanted to contribute to a temple so much.

No one has stated that.  That's not what is horrifying.  But you continue to misrepresent what's being expressed here.  Or maybe you really just don't get it.

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4 minutes ago, rockpond said:

Regardless, how does that change anything?  Was the church so poor back then that it needed to sacrifice members' health and well being to get a temple built?

Although the article mentioned didn't tell the entire story, it would appear that the elder Faust found out about the donation of gold after it happened, else why would he pay above market value for the gold.  It sounds to me like he wanted to match the sacrifice offered with a sacrifice of his own.

Sounds like he was rather impressed (which is why he didn't sell the gold, but kept it as a keepsake to show others how impressed he was with it.

 

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4 minutes ago, rockpond said:

I thought it was the Argentine saints giving up their fillings for their temple?  Did I miss something?  Sao Paulo is Brazil.

"He emphasized the need for Saints all over the world to begin to sacrifice for temple building. He recalled how, when the Sao Paulo Temple was being built, members in Argentina found ways to donate.

They gave the gold from their dental work to help pay on the temple, said President Faust. He explained that he had purchased some of that gold, for more than the market price, and has shown the gold fillings to various congregations to illustrate the nature of the sacrifice made by these members."

http://www.ldschurchnewsarchive.com/temples/88/Porto-Alegre-Brazil.html

 

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10 minutes ago, rockpond said:

If you'd read what I wrote you would notice that I said it didn't bother me that the Saints were willing to do it, it bothered me that our wealthy church allowed them to do it!  This is not the widow's might, it's the widow giving up her health and well being.  We don't need to ask for that and we shouldn't be asking for it much less promoting it to another country.

Don't you think a poor widow giving away all that she had might have been regarded by some as her being deprived of her well-being by the religious establishment of the day? 

And with that, I truly am out of here, except to remind you the word is mite, not "might."

Let's all move on.

 

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6 minutes ago, rockpond said:

If you'd read what I wrote you would notice that I said it didn't bother me that the Saints were willing to do it, it bothered me that our wealthy church allowed them to do it! 

From the story it sounds like the contribution was made (or the 'horrifying' part of it) before the church was made aware if it.   That is why (then Elder) Faust paid more than market value for it.  That is why the gold was kept as a keepsake instead of sold.

If the church really needed the money, Elder Faust would have purchased it at market value then sold the gold. 

I imagine, he was impressed and wanted to show his gratitude.

I have never heard of the Church soliciting dental filings, and this story does not imply such solicitation.

 

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