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By Rajah Manchou
In another thread we discussed briefly the similarities between the Book of Mormon and the History of the Rechabites. Both accounts tell of a group of Israelites that were led by God from Jerusalem to an island in the 6th century BC. Since these accounts have been shown to be similar in detail, it occurred to me that we might find some clues in the numerous versions of Rechabite apocryphal history that could help us identify the intended setting of the Book of Mormon account.
But, you might ask, the Rechabites are not Lehites. So what would it matter?
Well, I came across this interesting statement in the writings of Hugh Nibley:
"Chapter 35 tells us how [Jeremiah] dealt with the Rechabites (they come out earlier in the history of Israel). This tells us that he set them up to the Jews as an example of integrity. The Rechabites were given a permanent position in the temple. Lehi and his family were Rechabites; they joined that particular movement. They were the people who went out into the wilderness and tried to live the gospel in its purity out there." (source)
If this be true, and the Lehites were Rechabites, then the Lehites most likely were led by God to the same island the Rechabites were carried to in the 6th century BC. This island was called Qamara and it was said to be inhabited by the Camarini, an Eden-like civilization documented in the first few centuries of the Christian era. (source) This would be the same period as the Book of Mormon's 200 years of peace when the Lehites lived in the Land of Cumorah as a Zion-like society.
A document attributed to Joseph Smith as a revelation, the exact date of revelation is not given.
"The course that Lehi traveled from the city of Jerusalem to the place where he and his family took ship. They traveled nearly a South-Southeast direction until they came to the nineteenth degree of North Latitude, then nearly East to the Sea of Arabia then sailed in a Southeast direction, and landed on the continent of South America
in Chile thirty degrees South Latitude." The Bernhisel Manuscript p. 135 (see also BYU Studies, spring 1972, Vol. 12 no. 3 pp. 312-14).
So lets say they landed around the area of Vina del Mar, Chile. Google 33 deggees latitutde to get a good view. But we know that Nephi was warned to leave his brothers..
2 Nephi 5
5 And it came to pass that the Lord did warn me, that I, Nephi, should depart from them and flee into the wilderness, and all those who would go with me.
6 Wherefore, it came to pass that I, Nephi, did take my family, and also Zoram and his family, and Sam, mine elder brother and his family, and Jacob and Joseph, my younger brethren, and also my sisters, and all those who would go with me. And all those who would go with me were those who believed in the warnings and the revelations of God; wherefore, they did hearken unto my words.
7 And we did take our tents and whatsoever things were possible for us, and did journey in the wilderness for the space of many days. And after we had journeyed for the space of many days we did pitch our tents.
8 And my people would that we should call the name of the place Nephi; wherefore, we did call it Nephi.
9 And all those who were with me did take upon them to call themselves the people of Nephi.
10 And we did observe to keep the judgments, and the statutes, and the commandments of the Lord in all things, according to the law of Moses.
11 And the Lord was with us; and we did prosper exceedingly; for we did sow seed, and we did reap again in abundance. And we began to raise flocks, and herds, and animals of every kind.
12 And I, Nephi, had also brought the records which were engraven upon the plates of brass; and also the ball, or compass, which was prepared for my father by the hand of the Lord, according to that which is written.
13 And it came to pass that we began to prosper exceedingly, and to multiply in the land.
14 And I, Nephi, did take the sword of Laban, and after the manner of it did make many swords, lest by any means the people who were now called Lamanites should come upon us and destroy us; for I knew their hatred towards me and my children and those who were called my people.
15 And I did teach my people to build buildings, and to work in all manner of wood, and of iron, and of copper, and of brass, and of steel, and of gold, and of silver, and of precious ores, which were in great abundance.
16 And I, Nephi, did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon save it were not built of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land, wherefore, it could not be built like unto Solomon’s temple. But the manner of the construction was like unto the temple of Solomon; and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine.
17 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did cause my people to be industrious, and to labor with their hands.
So lets say they landed around the area of Vina del Mar, Chile. But we know that Nephi was warned to leave his brothers..
Where did Nephi leave if he started from the 33 degrees South Latitude? We know that he went north right, his Lamanite brothers were in the land south of course.
So I did some research on the area in Chile....
Here is the first paragraph of the link below- The mining sector in Chile is one of the pillars of Chilean economy and copper exports alone stands for more than one third of government income. Most mining in Chile is concentrated to the Norte Grande region spanning most of the Atacama Desert. Mining products of Chile includes copper, gold, silver, molybdenum, iron and coal.
So basically, every ore Nephi mentions ...And some he does not mention by name but as precious basically account for 1/3 of the governemtn revenues directly from Northern Chile. Kind of a remarkable coincidence?
So my question is....Is the Bernhisel Manuscript true and does this support it in some way? I personally think Nephi and his people did some good mining in the Great North of Chile. Any comments?
According to Brigham, Joseph once said, speaking of how much he loved Emma, that he would have her by his side in the hereafter, even if he had to go to hell for her.
Truman Madsen spoke a bit about that, saying that Joseph didn't say that Emma was going to hell, nor did he say he would have to go after her. He simply said it was a measure of his willingness to do whatever it took to serve and be with her.
Joseph also said, in response to condemnation from others: "I see no faults in the Church, and therefore let me be resurrected with the Saints whether I ascend to heaven or descend to hell, or go to any other place. And if we go to hell, we will turn the devils out of doors and make a heaven of it, Where this people are, there is good society."
I hope this song doesn't come across as flippant in any way.
Twice in the last month, people have suggested a road to Hell was under construction. Once in the gaslighting thread. And again in one of the 3 nefite threads, in the context of good-intentions paving.
A talk by Elder Bednar basically illuminated a D&C passage where called recipients were told to simply load up, and head east, west, north, or south, it didn't matter which. Because in any direct, there was good that needed doing . Or as someone cited in the Flim thread, "Let's do some good." Aligns in a figurative way with not fretting about one's reward in the life to come, but simply focusing on the work at hand. Losing/finding oneself in that. Which Ibelieve is at essence what Joseph meant.
At the Vikings exhibit this week, there were several things about the afterlife, including Hel and a few of the other Norse understandings of the afterlife. Folkvangr, for example, looked perhaps more fun than Valhalla. Interesting, and perhaps beneficial, that in such a famework, the valkyrie decide. Squares up with an earlier thread on Pharoah, and a few things taught in church over the years.
As to Hel, Baldr supposedly got sent there from a mishap...but was stuck there for a wee bit, in part because one troublemaker wouldn't weep for him...knowing full well that a shed tear was all that was needed for bail. So Baldr's brother Hermod was sent to Hel and back to fetch him.
Added: Which reminds me of the Doberman thread(s).
"The things of God are of deep import ; and time, and experience, and careful and ponderous and solemn thoughts can only find them out.Thy mind O man! If thou wilt lead a soul unto salvation, must stretch as high as the utmost heavens, and search into and contemplate the darkest abyss, and the broad expanse of eternity - thou must commune with God."
Placeholder OP for percolation. Feel free to comment. Don't even know yet what my question is on this. Perhaps tomorrow.
Greetings. I'm working on a new piece about what battle was like for the average Nephite soldier. This is a face of battle approach somewhat common to military history but relatively lacking in regards to the Book of Mormon. (I can send a copy of the current draft to interested readers.) I remember reading somewhere about an article that compares Moroni (or Mormon) and his writings to a survivor of the holocaust, or somebody that shows he went through trauma or suffers from PTSD. Does anybody know about this piece and where I can find it? I know my description is somewhat vague, but I've only heard about this from an off hand comment at a conference. I've done my best but can't seem to find it. I appreciate any help you could offer. Thanks.