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LDS Church welfare, humanitarian efforts avg $40m/yr

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8 minutes ago, rockpond said:

Who does?

I am not sure, but I know it isn't the Corporation of the President.

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8 minutes ago, rockpond said:

What is incorrect in that?

Lots of small details which would make me question the veracity of the source.

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15 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

I don't know where you get your information, but it is pretty bad. 

Could you clarify and correct it then by providing the relevant info?

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5 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

I am not sure, but I know it isn't the Corporation of the President.

 

4 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

Lots of small details which would make me question the veracity of the source.

 

So you can't tell me what is wrong and you can't provide any sources to show that I'm wrong.  Nice.  Well if you aren't going to retract your statements, I issue you a CFR on what I've got wrong (other than the error I already acknowledged).

I'll direct you to a couple sources that provide some support for my statements.  Much of what I've written is information I've picked up over the years reading articles on the church's development efforts which are fascinating to me since I am in that business.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_church_finances/City_Creek_Center

http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_church_integrity/City_Creek_Center_Mall_in_Salt_Lake_City

Note some of the links and comments by Bishop Burton.  He seems to make no delineation between the Church and its development arm.

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8 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Could you clarify and correct it then by providing the relevant info?

I don't have a source readily available.

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Just a question...but I have read and heard that there is a lot of property owned by the church in Florida now.  Correct me if I am wrong.  Is this land for grazing,..farming or anything like that?  I wish for the members..as they are the contributors..for some transparency that is accurate.  Of course not many care and trust the church.  But it would make them feel a bit more part of the contribution itself.  In any case, all of us can do more.  I tend to take my old tithing dollars and give to PCMC..and local areas that are in need.  I should certainly should do more.

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5 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

Just a question...but I have read and heard that there is a lot of property owned by the church in Florida now.  Correct me if I am wrong.  Is this land for grazing,..farming or anything like that?  I wish for the members..as they are the contributors..for some transparency that is accurate.  Of course not many care and trust the church.  But it would make them feel a bit more part of the contribution itself.  In any case, all of us can do more.  I tend to take my old tithing dollars and give to PCMC..and local areas that are in need.  I should certainly should do more.

Much of the Church's land in FL is agricultural but there have been some articles published regarding a large master-planned community being built over many decades on church owned land.

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8 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

I don't have a source readily available.

And you can't even tell me what I've got wrong.  Nice.

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24 minutes ago, rockpond said:

 

 

So you can't tell me what is wrong and you can't provide any sources to show that I'm wrong.  Nice.  Well if you aren't going to retract your statements, I issue you a CFR on what I've got wrong (other than the error I already acknowledged).

I'll direct you to a couple sources that provide some support for my statements.  Much of what I've written is information I've picked up over the years reading articles on the church's development efforts which are fascinating to me since I am in that business.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_church_finances/City_Creek_Center

http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_church_integrity/City_Creek_Center_Mall_in_Salt_Lake_City

Note some of the links and comments by Bishop Burton.  He seems to make no delineation between the Church and its development arm.

I will retract if it will make you feel better.

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3 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

I will retract if it will make you feel better.

It isn't about my feelings.  It's about having the right info out there.

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3 minutes ago, rockpond said:

It isn't about my feelings.  It's about having the right info out there.

If the Church has decided not to make it public, it is not my place to do it for them.

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14 minutes ago, rockpond said:

Much of the Church's land in FL is agricultural but there have been some articles published regarding a large master-planned community being built over many decades on church owned land.

Thanks for the info.  My daughter lived in Florida for a while (Orlando) and while I was there..I looked all over for an LDS ward..they were hard to find.  Of course, I saw the beautiful Orlando temple that was relatively new at the time.  Ummm..they have agricultural land..not a bad idea..but a planned community ..at least until I know more..might be better served in areas that really need help????  Thanks Rockpond.

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10 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

Thanks for the info.  My daughter lived in Florida for a while (Orlando) and while I was there..I looked all over for an LDS ward..they were hard to find.  Of course, I saw the beautiful Orlando temple that was relatively new at the time.  Ummm..they have agricultural land..not a bad idea..but a planned community ..at least until I know more..might be better served in areas that really need help????  Thanks Rockpond.

Here's an article on the development... This is from March.  Not sure where things stand now.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/205219-new-24000-acre-development-announced-mormon-lands-orange-osceola-counties

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13 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

If the Church has decided not to make it public, it is not my place to do it for them.

What I've mentioned here is public.

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1 minute ago, rockpond said:

What I've mentioned here is public.

What you have mentioned here is wrong.

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1 minute ago, Mystery Meat said:

What you have mentioned here is wrong.

You keep saying that and yet you won't identify WHAT is wrong or provide any sources to show that I am wrong.

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6 minutes ago, rockpond said:

You keep saying that and yet you won't identify WHAT is wrong or provide any sources to show that I am wrong.

Again, if the Church hasn't deemed it necessary to make the correct information public, I won't do it for them.

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19 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

Again, if the Church hasn't deemed it necessary to make the correct information public, I won't do it for them.

Again, the information I have cited is public.

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10 minutes ago, rockpond said:

Again, the information I have cited is public.

Again, the information you have cited is incorrect.

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6 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

Again, the information you have cited is incorrect.

Great, please tell me what is incorrect.

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1 minute ago, rockpond said:

Great, please tell me what is incorrect.

If the Church hasn't deemed it necessary to make the correct information public, I won't do it for them.

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1 minute ago, Mystery Meat said:

If the Church hasn't deemed it necessary to make the correct information public, I won't do it for them.

The correct information is public.  I have cited it.  If you know otherwise, explain.  If not, you need to stop saying that I have it wrong.

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1 minute ago, rockpond said:

The correct information is public.  I have cited it.  If you know otherwise, explain.  If not, you need to stop saying that I have it wrong.

The information you have cited to is incorrect. 

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16 minutes ago, Mystery Meat said:

The information you have cited to is incorrect. 

This is like conversing with a young child.  If you are going to claim that I am wrong, you need to explain why.  And you cannot claim that you are hiding behind church secrecy.  If it was secret, you wouldn't know that I was wrong.  It isn't a secret and your petulant responses here are really beneath your usual discourse.

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