BookofMormonLuvr Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 On Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 0:25 PM, Tacenda said: http://www.oregonlive.com/faith/2016/01/title_ix_waivers.html Or have the church's lawyers covered everything? Question answered: http://fox13now.com/2016/01/25/byu-law-school-under-investigation-for-possible-discrimination/ Link to comment
Tacenda Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 3 hours ago, BookofMormonLuvr said: Question answered: http://fox13now.com/2016/01/25/byu-law-school-under-investigation-for-possible-discrimination/ Well there hasn't been an outcome of the investigation yet, so how do we know? Link to comment
BookofMormonLuvr Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 45 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Well there hasn't been an outcome of the investigation yet, so how do we know? It is affecting the school, because they have to take time out to deal with a bogus investigation. And this will probably be the first in many complaints.And with the Oregon baker fiasco, who knows how the gubment minions will decide. Link to comment
Gray Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 On 1/22/2016 at 4:55 PM, carbon dioxide said: BYU does not discriminate against people but it discriminates against behavior. BYU can ban homosexual behavior just as they can ban students from getting drunk. There's no real difference. A ban on straight students dating would be discrimination against straight students. Link to comment
Calm Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 2 hours ago, BookofMormonLuvr said: It is affecting the school, because they have to take time out to deal with a bogus investigation. And this will probably be the first in many complaints. It is not the first of many complaints. There have been complaints before, including one by the same group that was investigated and found void by the organization appealed to then. Link to comment
Anijen Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 On 1/22/2016 at 10:30 PM, halconero said: People use the word persecution a bit too freely. Marginalized is about as strong of a word as I would use. Lumping in an Educational Survey and description of a school's moral standards in with the destruction of life and property of the early Saints or the present Assyrian Christians is disingenuous. I disagree (just a little). I believe it is a form of persecution (although slight in its severity). To have presentism (judging today by yesterdays values), one does not have to be martyred, or physically injured in today's politically correct world to be considered persecuted. To harass or annoy someone persistently is considered persecuting. Link to comment
provoman Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I question the sincerity of those who wanted the information released. It will be interesting reads. And I am sure that the Education Department will have their feet to held to luke warm water over exemptions. Link to comment
halconero Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Anijen said: I disagree (just a little). I believe it is a form of persecution (although slight in its severity). To have presentism (judging today by yesterdays values), one does not have to be martyred, or physically injured in today's politically correct world to be considered persecuted. To harass or annoy someone persistently is considered persecuting. Is it presentism if it's happening in the present? There are those of religious faith facing the confiscation of property, rape, murder and torture. I'm not sure if putting a school survey in the same category as them qualifies. 1 Link to comment
Anijen Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) 43 minutes ago, halconero said: Is it presentism if it's happening in the present? There are those of religious faith facing the confiscation of property, rape, murder and torture. I'm not sure if putting a school survey in the same category as them qualifies. It was presentism when you compared an educational survey (today) to early pioneers (long time ago) and Assyrian Christians (way long time ago). Your post was an example of adhering to present-day attitudes while at the same time interpreting past events in terms of modern values and concepts. That is presentism. But, that wasn't the point of my post, the point I tried to make was that I believe that Latter-day Saints are in fact persecuted today. They are not persecuted with threat of life or bodily harm, but still consistently targeted if at the very least to be annoying Persecution definition here. Edited January 28, 2016 by Anijen Link to comment
Calm Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 How about using harassed rather than persecuted. Persecution usually has a nuance of attempting to lock up, enslave or destroy in some fashion. Link to comment
halconero Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 9 hours ago, Anijen said: It was presentism when you compared an educational survey (today) to early pioneers (long time ago) and Assyrian Christians (way long time ago). Your post was an example of adhering to present-day attitudes while at the same time interpreting past events in terms of modern values and concepts. That is presentism. But, that wasn't the point of my post, the point I tried to make was that I believe that Latter-day Saints are in fact persecuted today. They are not persecuted with threat of life or bodily harm, but still consistently targeted if at the very least to be annoying Persecution definition here. Eh...in a manner I would actually say you're committing presentism. It isn't presentism to consider the persecution of the Early saints of the Restoration or the martyrs of Christianity when they themselves spoke of their persecution. That's the key when ascribing presentism to someone, they have to be projecting their own values, worldviews and mindsets back on to those who came before. I'm not doing that with the martyrs and saints. They considered themselves persecuted. Assyrian Christians are persecuted today. Muslims in Burma are persecuted. Presentism may also be ascribing to yourself the same categories as those who came before did to themselves despite very different experiences. And sorry, I don't subscribe to argument by dictionary. You can find many dictionaries with varied definitions. We might just have to differ on this one. :/ Your definition of persecution is too broad to be particularly useful in describing the experiences of those who suffer consistent violence, confiscation of property, or disparaging at the hands of institutions, social associations, or other forms of group social structures. For me at least. Annoyance, even with a certain level of frequency and purpose doesn't really jive with me. Link to comment
Calm Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Intentionally inconvenienced. 1 Link to comment
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