A Drink In Seattle Vs. A Drink In Salt Lake City

[Five Solas]

In Seattle, you can buy an ice cold IPA (that’s India Pale Ale, for the uninitiated), bring it home, pop it open, and drink it on your deck. In SLC, you can drive to a state liquor store, and IF it happens to be open, buy a warm IPA, bring it home, put it in the fridge for a while, and then you can drink it (assuming it’s actually drinkable—IPA’s are supposed to be kept cool or they can go bad quickly).

In Seattle, you order a gin & tonic at any bar, and you get a tasty mix of gin & tonic water (I typically go with Bombay Sapphire). In SLC, you get tonic water w/ a splash of gin. And should you have the audacity in SLC to order a “double”—you get a “sidecar” the size of a thimble to add to your drink. And here’s the worst part—you pay just as much in SLC as you do in Seattle for a whole lot less!

I’m just going to put it out there: Should I (or anyone) blame this state of affairs in SLC on the LDS? Should I feel annoyed at Mormons every time I visit my folks who live in Utah? Or should I feel grateful that they’re giving me an opportunity to repent & change my ways while I wait for that warm beer to cool in the fridge?

For a non-LDS visitor to Utah, what’s the proper way to feel about the local culture as reflected by its liquor laws?

--Erik

[rodheadlee]

B.Y.O.B

[Five Solas]

B.Y.O.B

words of wisdom, if ever there were...

;0)

--Erik

[Buzzard]

Well, it could be worse. At least your folks don't live in a dry county, of which there are many. All over the country, even in the uberr-liberal Norheast. BTW, on the accompanying map, red means completely dry-no booze sold at all in the county, yellow means significant restrictions. Utah is blue-you may have to go to a state store, but at least you can get what you want. Sorry if we don't measure up to the fleshpots of Seattle.

Edited May 19, 2013 by Buzzard

[Five Solas]

Sorry if we don't measure up to the fleshpots of Seattle.

No idea how to respond to this, buzzard. But "fleshpots of Seattle" is a keeper, that's for sure!

--Erik

[blackstrap]

Buzzard, can you find a map showing where one can buy MJ ( I'm not talking legally) I'm told that a marijuana cigarette is fairly 'dry'.

[wenglund]

With all the minor issues we face in the world (like starvation, plagues, war, economic collapse, slow disintegration of the fundamental structure of society--the family, moral decline, etc.), I am really glad you keep us mindful of things that matter most in life--i.e. the temperature at purchase of IPA's. Break out the sack cloth and ashes and let the weeping and wailing and teeth gnashing begin.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Edited May 20, 2013 by wenglund

[ERayR]

In Seattle, you can buy an ice cold IPA (that’s India Pale Ale, for the uninitiated), bring it home, pop it open, and drink it on your deck. In SLC, you can drive to a state liquor store, and IF it happens to be open, buy a warm IPA, bring it home, put it in the fridge for a while, and then you can drink it (assuming it’s actually drinkable—IPA’s are supposed to be kept cool or they can go bad quickly).

In Seattle, you order a gin & tonic at any bar, and you get a tasty mix of gin & tonic water (I typically go with Bombay Sapphire). In SLC, you get tonic water w/ a splash of gin. And should you have the audacity in SLC to order a “double”—you get a “sidecar” the size of a thimble to add to your drink. And here’s the worst part—you pay just as much in SLC as you do in Seattle for a whole lot less!

I’m just going to put it out there: Should I (or anyone) blame this state of affairs in SLC on the LDS? Should I feel annoyed at Mormons every time I visit my folks who live in Utah? Or should I feel grateful that they’re giving me an opportunity to repent & change my ways while I wait for that warm beer to cool in the fridge?

For a non-LDS visitor to Utah, what’s the proper way to feel about the local culture as reflected by its liquor laws?

--Erik

And this is a valid concern for an LDS oriented discussion board, how?

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

B.Y.O.B

Bring your own Bibb?

[SamIam]

And this is a valid concern for an LDS oriented discussion board, how?

Well of course, it is important to know so that when we send missionaries to Seattle they will better understand the general state of inebriation that prevails in a "fleshpot."

[blackstrap]

fleshpot = muffin top ? no ?

[Five Solas]

With all the minor issue we face in the world (like starvation, plagues, war, economic collapse, slow disintegration of the fundamental structure of society--the family, moral decline, etc.), I am really glad you keep us mindful of things that matter most in life--i.e. the temperature at purchase of IPA's. Break out the sack cloth and ashes and let the weeping and wailing and teeth gnashing begin.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Don't thank me, thank the Utah legislature, Wade. They're the ones who decided this stuff was major "issue" enough to pass the laws that mandate, among other things, warm beer. Do you suppose they're walking around dressed in sack cloth & ashes?

--Erik

[Five Solas]

And this is a valid concern for an LDS oriented discussion board, how?

Elsewhere we have a thread that discusses Utah culture vis-à-vis Mormonism. Do you not see this as a related topic, ERayR? Or do you think both these threads a waste of everyone's time?

--Erik

[mfbukowski]

With all the minor issue we face in the world (like starvation, plagues, war, economic collapse, slow disintegration of the fundamental structure of society--the family, moral decline, etc.), I am really glad you keep us mindful of things that matter most in life--i.e. the temperature at purchase of IPA's. Break out the sack cloth and ashes and let the weeping and wailing and teeth gnashing begin.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Dang you're good!

+1

[rpn]

I'd guess that would depend on whether congress really requires (by threatening to withhold highway funds like they did the last time) a .05 dui standard. If that is true, you will thank whomever is responsible (though from afar, it rather looks like a conservative hijacking basted on not a whole lot of strong evidence that the church really cares about what is in your gin an tonic).

[3DOP]

In Seattle, you can buy an ice cold IPA (that’s India Pale Ale, for the uninitiated), bring it home, pop it open, and drink it on your deck. In SLC, you can drive to a state liquor store, and IF it happens to be open, buy a warm IPA, bring it home, put it in the fridge for a while, and then you can drink it (assuming it’s actually drinkable—IPA’s are supposed to be kept cool or they can go bad quickly).

In Seattle, you order a gin & tonic at any bar, and you get a tasty mix of gin & tonic water (I typically go with Bombay Sapphire). In SLC, you get tonic water w/ a splash of gin. And should you have the audacity in SLC to order a “double”—you get a “sidecar” the size of a thimble to add to your drink. And here’s the worst part—you pay just as much in SLC as you do in Seattle for a whole lot less!

I’m just going to put it out there: Should I (or anyone) blame this state of affairs in SLC on the LDS? Should I feel annoyed at Mormons every time I visit my folks who live in Utah? Or should I feel grateful that they’re giving me an opportunity to repent & change my ways while I wait for that warm beer to cool in the fridge?

For a non-LDS visitor to Utah, what’s the proper way to feel about the local culture as reflected by its liquor laws?

--Erik

Really? You think things are worse somewhere than our state? That's great news to me! So we are number 49 of these United States instead of number 50 as far as alcohol laws go. Did you vote for that rip off that took away the state monopoly on alcohol so that they could tax it to the sky everywhere from Walgreen's to WalMart? Fortunately for me, I get my Sapphire across the river in Oregon and make my own cocktails. I am a Washington native of 57 years and loyal to my Fatherland, but in my opinion, we can't exactly boast about the state of things alcoholic here.

Don't you think?

3DOP

[mfbukowski]

Or do you think both these threads a waste of everyone's time?

There you go. This is a non-issue. At least the other threads were entertaining. Here we get to listen to you spouting complaints about our values.

This thread has no purpose other than giving you personal time to complain about our beliefs. Were I a mod, I would shut it down

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

[Calm]

Do you suppose they're walking around dressed in sack cloth & ashes?

--Erik

Not according to their PR shots...

[Damien the Leper]

Really? You think things are worse somewhere than our state? That's great news to me! So we are number 49 of these United States instead of number 50 as far as alcohol laws go. Did you vote for that rip off that took away the state monopoly on alcohol so that they could tax it to the sky everywhere from Walgreen's to WalMart? Fortunately for me, I get my Sapphire across the river in Oregon and make my own cocktails. I am a Washington native of 57 years and loyal to my Fatherland, but in my opinion, we can't exactly boast about the state of things alcoholic here.

Don't you think?

3DOP

I love Catholics. You remind me why...and I'm not being sarcastic. I went to Mass for Pentecost today and will go again next week for Trinity Sunday. Good times!

[Damien the Leper]

With all the minor issue we face in the world (like starvation, plagues, war, economic collapse, slow disintegration of the fundamental structure of society--the family, moral decline, etc.), I am really glad you keep us mindful of things that matter most in life--i.e. the temperature at purchase of IPA's. Break out the sack cloth and ashes and let the weeping and wailing and teeth gnashing begin.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I hate you....how dare you be the voice of reason. Kidding aside, I completely agree. If alcohol is a priority then there are issues that go beyond even LDS health ethics.

[3DOP]

I love Catholics. You remind me why...and I'm not being sarcastic. I went to Mass for Pentecost today and will go again next week for Trinity Sunday. Good times!

I thumbs upped you that you went to Mass today, although I thank you for your kind words too.

Pentecost is in some ways a greater feast than Christmas. Pentecost is the reason for Christmas. It is shown in the Catholic liturgy by the fact that three feasts, Easter, Christmas, and Pentecost have "octaves". That means that they are carried forward through the whole week. At Christmas however, the octave is interrupted by saints feasts like Thomas Becket and the Holy Innocents. But in the octaves of Easter and Pentecost, any other feasts on the calendar are suppressed. Of course, Christmas being on Dec. 25, we always know what lands in the octave. Easter and Pentecost are different every year.

Anyway, God bless you Valentinus, and thanks for participating in the Birthday of the Church with us!

3DOP

[Five Solas]

Really? You think things are worse somewhere than our state? That's great news to me! So we are number 49 of these United States instead of number 50 as far as alcohol laws go. Did you vote for that rip off that took away the state monopoly on alcohol so that they could tax it to the sky everywhere from Walgreen's to WalMart? Fortunately for me, I get my Sapphire across the river in Oregon and make my own cocktails. I am a Washington native of 57 years and loyal to my Fatherland, but in my opinion, we can't exactly boast about the state of things alcoholic here.

Don't you think?

3DOP

Hey 3DOP, I'd love to buy you a beer if you're anywhere near the U-District. We'll get a tasty IPA on tap, something not even possible in Utah (they'd have to serve it in a bottle, as their legislature has mandated). And we'll talk about how bad we have it.

:0)

And we can talk about Reformed theology, Mars Hill Church, and Catholicism. The Kraken is ~ two blocks from my house. It will be fun, I love your posts. Send me a message.

--Erik

[Calm]

I love Catholics. You remind me why...and I'm not being sarcastic. I went to Mass for Pentecost today and will go again next week for Trinity Sunday. Good times!

3DOP would be lovable even if he was a Mormon.

[Five Solas]

you spouting complaints about our values.

Let's unpack this a little, mfbukowski. Whose values? The values of the 90+% LDS Utah legislature? The values of LDS Church leadership? The values of the ~ 60% LDS Utah population? The values of the non-LDS Utah population? The values of non-LDS vistors to your state? (clearly not, I'm being rhetorical now)

Whose values, mfbukowski? Are they your values?

--Erik

[Calm]

I would be hesitant about equating Utah political values to the values of the LDS Church leadership. One only has to point to the vote to rescind Prohibition to demonstrate that they are not always the same thing. From what I've seen since I've moved to Utah, many Utahans are much more conservative (and there are a number of Utahans that are more liberal that I've seen, but more sway to the right from the Church than the left in my experience) than what is usually presented in official church positions. Immigration is a current issue that the Church's official position on has caused some heartburn for some Utahans I know.