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[Bernard Gui]

Take a look at this website for the Temple Institute of Jerusalem.
What do you think?

http://www.templeinstitute.org

[Libs]

That's interesting.

I wonder what form it would take...since, I assume, it would not be for animal sacrifice?

[Robert F. Smith]

Libs, on 29 August 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

That's interesting.

I wonder what form it would take...since, I assume, it would not be for animal sacrifice?

Of course it does indeed include animal sacrifice, and orthodox Jews cannot even enter the holy precincts of the temple mount until a red heifer has been sacrificed and burned so that its ashes can be spread on the temple mount.  Only then could construction on a new temple begin.  Of course, another obstacle to that construction is the fact that the Muslims control the entire temple mount and have major buildings and holy sites there.  The law of the State of Israel will not currently permit Jews to build anything on the temple mount.

[Robert F. Smith]

Bernard Gui, on 29 August 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

Take a look at this website for the Temple Institute of Jerusalem.
What do you think?

http://www.templeinstitute.org

The Institute has existed for decades as a way to prepare for the day when Malachi 3:3-4 will be fulfilled.  Perhaps when the Messiah comes . . .

Actually, the Jews could build temples anywhere in the State of Israel if they so chose, and engage in daily sacrifice under the law of Moses.

[volgadon]

Despite some media coverage in the USA, the Temple Institute is kind of marginal in Israel.

Edited by volgadon, 30 August 2012 - 06:59 AM.

[Libs]

Volgadon, is that because many Jews don't want it or don't see it as necessary, today?....or because they don't believe it's possible, considering the political difficulties?

[Bernard Gui]

volgadon, on 30 August 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

Despite some media coverage in the USA, the Temple Institute is kind of marginal in Israel.

That is what I am asking. What do you mean by marginal?
Are their descriptions of the temple garments, construction, instruments, history accurate?

[Robert F. Smith]

Bernard Gui, on 30 August 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

That is what I am asking. What do you mean by marginal?
Are their descriptions of the temple garments, construction, instruments, history accurate?

As historically accurate as they can make them, although I don't know what the Israeli archeological community thinks of them.  They also raise red heifers in preparation for the day when one can be used to purify the temple mount.

By "marginal," volgadon presumably means that they don't have mass appeal among Israelis.  However, they do have good sources or funding and have published a number of beautiful books on the temple.

[Bill Hamblin]

Bernard Gui, on 30 August 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

That is what I am asking. What do you mean by marginal?
Are their descriptions of the temple garments, construction, instruments, history accurate?

Their reconstructions are based fundamentally on rabbinic sources, and early modern rabbinic illustrations.

[volgadon]

Libs, on 30 August 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Volgadon, is that because many Jews don't want it or don't see it as necessary, today?....or because they don't believe it's possible, considering the political difficulties?

Bernard Gui, on 30 August 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

That is what I am asking. What do you mean by marginal?
Are their descriptions of the temple garments, construction, instruments, history accurate?

What I mean is that most Israelis don't care, and not even all Orthodox Jews support the TI's ideas, although their founder is learned and his brother a major rabbi. Their descriptions of temple garments, construction, instruments, procedures, and history are fairly accurate, at least as far as traditional Jewish sources are concerned. How well do they always correspond with reality is a different question. As Robert notes, they are trying to raise a red heifer, which is one of the few times I actually remember people talking about them much.

[Bernard Gui]

Thanks much for the information.
Would this description of the urim and thummin and how it was used be accurate?

http://www.templeins..._garments-8.htm

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The process of questioning for Divine aid with the ÔUrim V'Tummim' was done in the following manner:
When a question arose whose implications were so consequential that the entire congregation of Israel
would be effected-such as, for example, the question of whether or not to go out to war - then,
the King of Israel (or the commanding officer of the army) would ask his question before the High Priest.
An ordinary person, or someone not representing the entire community would not ask of the urim v'tummim.
The High Priest stands facing the Ark of the Testimony, and the questioner stands behind him, facing the priest's back.
The questioner does not speak out loud, neither does he merely think the question in his heart; he poses his query quietly,
to himself - like someone who prayers quietly before his Creator. For example, he will ask "Shall I go out to battle, or shall I not go out?"


The High Priest is immediately enveloped by the spirit of Divine inspiration. He gazes at the breastplate, and by meditating
upon the holy names of G-d, the priest was able to receive the answer through a prophetic vision-the letters on the stones
of the breastplate, which would shine forth in his eyes in a special manner, spelling out the answer to the question.
The priest then informs the questioner of the answer.

I'm thinking of Joseph Smith's "stone in the hat" and Moroni the general asking Alma the high priest where to go
to find the Lamanite army (Alma possessed the Nephite interpreters.)

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Alma 43

23 But it came to pass, as soon as they had departed into the wilderness Moroni sent spies into the
wilderness to watch their camp; and Moroni, also, knowing of the prophecies of Alma, sent certain
men unto him, desiring him that he should inquire of the Lord whither the armies of the Nephites
should go to defend themselves against the Lamanites.
24 And it came to pass that the word of the Lord came unto Alma, and Alma informed the messengers
of Moroni, that the armies of the Lamanites were marching round about in the wilderness, that they
might come over into the land of Manti, that they might commence an attack upon the weaker part
of the people. And those messengers went and delivered the message unto Moroni.

Edited by Bernard Gui, 31 August 2012 - 10:28 AM.