Scott Lloyd Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) This sentence from the "Newsroom" blog post --The Church’s health guidelines prohibits alcoholic drinks, smoking or chewing of tobacco, and “hot drinks” — taught by Church leaders to refer specifically to tea and coffee.-- contains improper grammar in that the subject ("guidelines") and the verb ("prohibits") do not agree.Someone should draw their attention to it. Perhaps I will do so. Edited August 30, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
KevinG Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 I've never been taught to enjoy cola. I have no intention of acquiring a liking for it now -- to me it tastes like paint thinner -- You must have been drinking Pepsi. Everyone in Georgia knows that Coke is the only true cola drink.
BCSpace Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 With reference to cola drinks, the Church has never officially taken a position on this matter, but the leaders of the Church have advised, and we do now specifically advise, against the use of any drink containing harmful habit-forming drugs under circumstances that would result in acquiring the habit. Any beverage that contains ingredients harmful to the body should be avoided.I think it fair to say that those of us today -- such as I and mine -- who choose to abstain from soda containing caffeine do so because of a one-time prevailing sentiment that stems at least in part from this item.I and mine also eschew it. It would be good to note that since 1972, the Church has continued to warn about caffeine as a search on the word at lds.org will reveal.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 I and mine also eschew it. It would be good to note that since 1972, the Church has continued to warn about caffeine as a search on the word at lds.org will reveal.Indeed. As late as 2008, Church magazines were publishing articles with warnings about "the energy drink epidemic" and "the rise of caffeine abuse."
DavidB Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 I and mine also eschew it. It would be good to note that since 1972, the Church has continued to warn about caffeine as a search on the word at lds.org will reveal.Indeed. As late as 2008, Church magazines were publishing articles with warnings about "the energy drink epidemic" and "the rise of caffeine abuse."And it is important to note the very fine point made in the 1972 statement and in the 2008, both refer to implicitly or directly to abuse.Water is harmful to the body if abused. 1
SeekerB Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) One thing that stuck out to me in the NBC special "Mormon in America" was the segment where they asked the wife and husband of the LDS family if they had ever had Coffee, Tea, or even a Coke. The wife said she had only tried coke once and the husband admitted to drinking the occasional Dr. Pepper (although he seemed ashamed to admit it).Why didn't they correct the interviewer about drinking caffein?It still amazes me when i tell someone I am LDS and they say "oh, you cant drink caffein" I always correct them. do you?I didn't see the broadcast, but what if they did correct the interviewer, but it didn't make the cut? Edited August 30, 2012 by SeekerB
SeekerB Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) An oopsie, here. Edited August 30, 2012 by SeekerB
swfarnsworth Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 I once had to correct someone who said that we cannot drink soda at all.I personally avoid drinking caffeine as much as possible, but not all that directly. I choose diet soda whenever possible, for example, because I don't want to drink that many calories, and diet sodas are usually caffeine free. I've made exceptions from the diet-only rule when the only root bear in the vending machine was regular Mug, and then immediately made another exception from the no-caffeine "rule" because it turned out to be Barques.All of this is done in an attempt to avoid becoming addicted to caffeine. My mother was addicted to it before she converted from Catholicism and stopped drinking coffee every morning and had a painful withdrawal, so I grew up in a house with no caffeine at all (except in chocolate, of course) to ensure that never happened again.
Calm Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Walden has hit the nail on the head. Whenever Mormons attempt to justify their beliefs using secular reasoning, their beliefs fall apart. Yet it seems to be the vogue thing to do. Mormons rarely stop at, "I know not, save the Lord commanded me"It is human nature to want to have one's behaviour seem intelligent in someone else's eyes even if odd as well as to desire to know the reason for all things; we also assume that God does not issue commandments based on whims but rather on reason and sometimes assume that if it looks reasonable to us, this is likely the same reason God commanded us to do it.
Calm Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 It is evident that the LDS church is not short of cash and that it could likely go on just fine living off it's investments alone. Not according to some statements I've read that suggest several years at most. I will try and remember where I have read this. Most of the Church's wealth is in land and buildings that do not produce income in and of itself, but does require upkeep (churches and temples primarily). If it cut down on its humanitarian projects including any schools and required missionaries to fully fund the program themselves (many from poorer countries are mostly paid for by the Church), I doubt even then that all the business investments would have enough profit to pay for normal functions and upkeep. They would start having to sell those investments which would then eventually run out.
alter idem Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Well, speak of the devil, the church just put out a statement on caffeine today; sounds like it was prompted by the program mentioned.http://www.religionn...ns-and-caffeineThis jist is, it's not prohibited (which most of us knew already). 1
Scott Lloyd Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Well, speak of the devil, the church just put out a statement on caffeine today; sounds like it was prompted by the program mentioned.http://www.religionn...ns-and-caffeineThis jist is, it's not prohibited (which most of us knew already).You're late to the game. See David T's post of nine hours ago on this thread, the one that engendered the very posts you have replied to. And nobody said soda with caffeine has been prohibited, just discouraged -- which is true.Moreover, what you are linking to is not a formal Church statement, only a blog post, as reflected in a disclaimer on the Church website where the blog appears. Edited August 31, 2012 by Scott Lloyd
TAO Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) To be quite honest... I don't really drink carbonated drinks at all =p. Though, that has more to do with having done Cross Country and Track for three and a half years.Nonetheless, I'm not unhappy to be on the safe side of things. I don't know whether caffeine is or isn't part of things, but, as for me, I'll abstain from it all the same (as my choice). Edited August 31, 2012 by TAO 1
alter idem Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 You're late to the game. See David T's post of nine hours ago on this thread, the one that engendered the very posts you have replied to.And nobody said soda with caffeine has been prohibited, just discouraged -- which is true.Moreover, what you are linking to is not a formal Church statement, only a blog post, as reflected in a disclaimer on the Church website where the blog appears.nevermind:(
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