I got into a discussion at work about Scientology and just wandering if he was LDS at one time
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Was L Ron Hubbard Lds?
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, Aug 02 2012 03:37 PM
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:37 PM
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:37 PM
He was in Steve Martins ward.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:50 PM
President L. Ron Hubbard was Elder Trent Reznor's former Mission President and sent him home when he discovered that Elder Reznor had been involved with a woman, details of which you can find on his CD "Pretty Hate Machine"
“I know that God lives. I know that Jesus lives; for I have seen Him. I know that this is the Church of God, and that it is founded on Jesus Christ, our Redeemer. I testify to you of these things as one that knows—as one of the Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ that can bear witness to you today in the presence of the Lord that He lives and that He will live, and will come to reign on the earth, to sway an undisputed sceptre”.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:52 PM
Christian Mormon, on 02 August 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:
I got into a discussion at work about Scientology and just wandering if he was LDS at one time
No but his thetan was.
Twisting God's work into my own hellish, slithering, mutatious...thing.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:54 PM
If the OP is serious, then the answer is how would any of us know? Mr. Hubbard is certainly not claiming so? (And the name can't be too unique so there may be A person with that name, without it being THE person who you are asking about.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:54 PM
The Nehor, on 02 August 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:
No but his thetan was.
what the blankety-blank is that?
“I know that God lives. I know that Jesus lives; for I have seen Him. I know that this is the Church of God, and that it is founded on Jesus Christ, our Redeemer. I testify to you of these things as one that knows—as one of the Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ that can bear witness to you today in the presence of the Lord that He lives and that He will live, and will come to reign on the earth, to sway an undisputed sceptre”.
President George Q. Cannon
(Oct. 6, 1896, DW 53:610)
President George Q. Cannon
(Oct. 6, 1896, DW 53:610)
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:57 PM
Duncan, on 02 August 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:
what the blankety-blank is that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thetan
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:03 PM
The bad ones are the ghosts of the victims of Lord Xenu, Dictator of the Galactic Confederacy who he killed with Hydrogen bombs on earth (then known as Teegeeack) about 75 million years ago. After he killed them he sucked them into some kind of magnetic ribbon and implanted false beliefs in them like Christianity and Psychology. Then Xenu was overthrown and the earth was quarantined. Now everyone is covered in thetans except for those who give lots of money to Scientology to have them removed. So all other religions come from thetans therefore some thetans are LDS.
Twisting God's work into my own hellish, slithering, mutatious...thing.
I support NCMO.
We enter this world naked, screaming, and covered in blood...the fun doesn't have to end there...
I support NCMO.
We enter this world naked, screaming, and covered in blood...the fun doesn't have to end there...
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:05 PM
KevinG, on 02 August 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:
He was in Steve Martins ward.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:08 PM
Pa Pa, on 02 August 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:
No Roseanne Bares's Ward,
Bears?!?!?!?!? WHERE???????
We have to kill them before they kill us:
Twisting God's work into my own hellish, slithering, mutatious...thing.
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I support NCMO.
We enter this world naked, screaming, and covered in blood...the fun doesn't have to end there...
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:16 PM
Probably not. Wikipedia doesn't even think so.
...my religion is built on the belief system and I believe that God will always find a way to make things just and fair even though it seems impossible. I accept this axiom without proof because I believe and hope that it must be true and in my heart I know it's true. That' s my testimony... -- Ajax18
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:26 PM
Christian Mormon, on 02 August 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:
I got into a discussion at work about Scientology and just wandering if he was LDS at one time
I hear tell he was related to Old Mother Hubbard of nursery rhyme fame.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:51 PM
Sorry I couldn't resist being a smart alek.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:39 PM
KevinG, on 02 August 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:
Sorry I couldn't resist being a smart alek.
Punchlines and sarcasm...
It makes the world go round.
Seriously
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:45 PM
Mudcat, on 02 August 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:
I can so identify with that.
Punchlines and sarcasm...
It makes the world go round.
Seriously
Punchlines and sarcasm...
It makes the world go round.
Seriously
But the world isn't round =0... or at least perfectly round XD.
Forgive my miserable attempt at some humor here =).
...my religion is built on the belief system and I believe that God will always find a way to make things just and fair even though it seems impossible. I accept this axiom without proof because I believe and hope that it must be true and in my heart I know it's true. That' s my testimony... -- Ajax18
As anyone who has ever been around a cat for any length of time well knows, cats have enormous patience with the limitations of the human kind. -- Cleveland Armory ... I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior. -- Hippolyte Taine
[On what God will say of one's own spiritual valiance]... I'd be content if He could just say to me, "Well, you weren't completely worthless." - Nathair
As anyone who has ever been around a cat for any length of time well knows, cats have enormous patience with the limitations of the human kind. -- Cleveland Armory ... I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior. -- Hippolyte Taine
[On what God will say of one's own spiritual valiance]... I'd be content if He could just say to me, "Well, you weren't completely worthless." - Nathair
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 05:38 PM
I'm sure there are many levels in which Scientologists understand this.
I don't think that with our Kolob and talking about God's father, and us becoming Gods, and that Jesus of Nazareth who died 2000 years ago will end up coming back to be the king of the world for a thousand years, and baptizing dead people, we are in such a good position to be critical of what sound like absurd beliefs at first blush.
That goes along with eating flesh and drinking Christ's blood and the idea that God had to torture himself to death to forgive himself for our sins, and all we have to do is say we believe in Jesus and we will live forever.
As a former atheist myself, it really all does sound a little weird you know. I suppose we should be sensitive to what religious models work for others if we want them to be respectful of ours.
I don't think that with our Kolob and talking about God's father, and us becoming Gods, and that Jesus of Nazareth who died 2000 years ago will end up coming back to be the king of the world for a thousand years, and baptizing dead people, we are in such a good position to be critical of what sound like absurd beliefs at first blush.
That goes along with eating flesh and drinking Christ's blood and the idea that God had to torture himself to death to forgive himself for our sins, and all we have to do is say we believe in Jesus and we will live forever.
As a former atheist myself, it really all does sound a little weird you know. I suppose we should be sensitive to what religious models work for others if we want them to be respectful of ours.
Edited by mfbukowski, 03 August 2012 - 05:40 PM.
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 06:19 PM
mfbukowski, on 03 August 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:
I'm sure there are many levels in which Scientologists understand this.
I don't think that with our Kolob and talking about God's father, and us becoming Gods, and that Jesus of Nazareth who died 2000 years ago will end up coming back to be the king of the world for a thousand years, and baptizing dead people, we are in such a good position to be critical of what sound like absurd beliefs at first blush.
That goes along with eating flesh and drinking Christ's blood and the idea that God had to torture himself to death to forgive himself for our sins, and all we have to do is say we believe in Jesus and we will live forever.
As a former atheist myself, it really all does sound a little weird you know. I suppose we should be sensitive to what religious models work for others if we want them to be respectful of ours.
I don't think that with our Kolob and talking about God's father, and us becoming Gods, and that Jesus of Nazareth who died 2000 years ago will end up coming back to be the king of the world for a thousand years, and baptizing dead people, we are in such a good position to be critical of what sound like absurd beliefs at first blush.
That goes along with eating flesh and drinking Christ's blood and the idea that God had to torture himself to death to forgive himself for our sins, and all we have to do is say we believe in Jesus and we will live forever.
As a former atheist myself, it really all does sound a little weird you know. I suppose we should be sensitive to what religious models work for others if we want them to be respectful of ours.
You get a rep point! =D
Edited by TAO, 03 August 2012 - 06:19 PM.
...my religion is built on the belief system and I believe that God will always find a way to make things just and fair even though it seems impossible. I accept this axiom without proof because I believe and hope that it must be true and in my heart I know it's true. That' s my testimony... -- Ajax18
As anyone who has ever been around a cat for any length of time well knows, cats have enormous patience with the limitations of the human kind. -- Cleveland Armory ... I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior. -- Hippolyte Taine
[On what God will say of one's own spiritual valiance]... I'd be content if He could just say to me, "Well, you weren't completely worthless." - Nathair
As anyone who has ever been around a cat for any length of time well knows, cats have enormous patience with the limitations of the human kind. -- Cleveland Armory ... I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior. -- Hippolyte Taine
[On what God will say of one's own spiritual valiance]... I'd be content if He could just say to me, "Well, you weren't completely worthless." - Nathair
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:05 PM
mfbukowski, on 03 August 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:
I'm sure there are many levels in which Scientologists understand this.
I don't think that with our Kolob and talking about God's father, and us becoming Gods, and that Jesus of Nazareth who died 2000 years ago will end up coming back to be the king of the world for a thousand years, and baptizing dead people, we are in such a good position to be critical of what sound like absurd beliefs at first blush.
That goes along with eating flesh and drinking Christ's blood and the idea that God had to torture himself to death to forgive himself for our sins, and all we have to do is say we believe in Jesus and we will live forever.
As a former atheist myself, it really all does sound a little weird you know. I suppose we should be sensitive to what religious models work for others if we want them to be respectful of ours.
I don't think that with our Kolob and talking about God's father, and us becoming Gods, and that Jesus of Nazareth who died 2000 years ago will end up coming back to be the king of the world for a thousand years, and baptizing dead people, we are in such a good position to be critical of what sound like absurd beliefs at first blush.
That goes along with eating flesh and drinking Christ's blood and the idea that God had to torture himself to death to forgive himself for our sins, and all we have to do is say we believe in Jesus and we will live forever.
As a former atheist myself, it really all does sound a little weird you know. I suppose we should be sensitive to what religious models work for others if we want them to be respectful of ours.
My distinction is not that one sounds silly and one doesn't. Both sound silly. It's just we have a plausible story for how we know ours (prophets and revelation) while they just declare it with no explanation for how they know about ancient galactic politics.
Twisting God's work into my own hellish, slithering, mutatious...thing.
I support NCMO.
We enter this world naked, screaming, and covered in blood...the fun doesn't have to end there...
I support NCMO.
We enter this world naked, screaming, and covered in blood...the fun doesn't have to end there...
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 10:24 PM
Pa Pa, on 02 August 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:
No Roseanne Bares's Ward,
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 10:47 PM
The Nehor, on 03 August 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:
My distinction is not that one sounds silly and one doesn't. Both sound silly. It's just we have a plausible story for how we know ours (prophets and revelation) while they just declare it with no explanation for how they know about ancient galactic politics.
On the other hand, since the Nephites are believed to be actual history, one would expect artifacts. But the fact that the angel took back the "evidence" doesn't help us much.
Really, none of this makes sense without a testimony. But the key is, as someone once said, "for those who believe in revelation, there can be no question; for those who do not believe in revelation, there can be no answer."
Edited by mfbukowski, 03 August 2012 - 10:48 PM.
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