Criticis/exmormons often site the lack of "complete disclosure" as an excuse for their quips with Mormonism. But is this really a resonable expectation?
I mean, as a Missionary it was hard enough getting people to read sparse exerpts from the BOM let alone get into the intricute details and volumns of Church History. (eg. MMM, Polygamy, etc. etc. etc.)
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"Complete Disclosure" An Unreasonable Expectation?
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, Jul 30 2012 09:41 AM
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:41 AM
"Works are necessary for salvation but they do not cause salvation; for faith alone gives life.” -- Martin Luther
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:45 AM
Lack of disclosure always strikes me as an odd critique of a people who openly publish our history, journals, doctrines, practices, etc.
You are correct- the critiques miss the vital point that there is not enough time in regular classes to cover the basics much less tangential discussions of Mormon minutiae. That is what the internet is for.
You are correct- the critiques miss the vital point that there is not enough time in regular classes to cover the basics much less tangential discussions of Mormon minutiae. That is what the internet is for.
Please ask me what I believe before telling me what I believe. Hint- start here: http://lds.org/scriptures/
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:47 AM
KevinG, on 30 July 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:
Lack of disclosure always strikes me as an odd critique of a people who openly publish our history, journals, doctrines, practices, etc.
You are correct- the critiques miss the vital point that there is not enough time in regular classes to cover the basics much less tangential discussions of Mormon minutiae. That is what the internet is for.
You are correct- the critiques miss the vital point that there is not enough time in regular classes to cover the basics much less tangential discussions of Mormon minutiae. That is what the internet is for.
Ya but you know uhm they don't make the first thing they uhm tell you and uhm they don't uh like you know make it the main uh Sunday uh lesson topic.
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:50 AM
I was once at a Stake Conference where the Seventy conducting was there setting up while we put up chairs and readied the Chapel for the service. The Elder (who will remain unnamed) stood up and tested the microphone by saying "Today's discourse will be on Blood Atonement..." then he grinned and went back to arranging his notes.
Those of us in the crowd who were versed in church history got a hearty laugh.
Those of us in the crowd who were versed in church history got a hearty laugh.
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:51 AM
What is even more troubling is that if "Christian critics" would read the Old Testament they would have just as much trouble accepting Christianity and Judaism. (Double Standards not withstanding)
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"Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire!" -- Martin Luther
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:54 AM
Zakuska, on 30 July 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:
What is even more troubling is that if "Christian critics" would read the Old Testament they would have just as much trouble accepting Christianity and Judaism. (Double Standards not withstanding)
What! Are you expecting rationality?
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 11:19 AM
As with many of the gripes and complaints of the critics, I view the "full disclosure" expectation as analogous to coughing, sneezing, and throwing up--i.e. a symptom of various spiritual diseases like blindness, ignorance, disorientation (not being centered on Christ), inverted priorities, ark-steadying-itis (pride), narrow -mindedness and dogmatism, adult fundamentalism, etc.
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:23 PM
When the EV's start bringing up Martin Luthers anti-Semitism within an hour of starting a discussion of their version of Christianity, I'll be willing to discuss Joseph Smith's polygamy or Brighams racial view in the same time frame.
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:41 PM
KevinG, on 30 July 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:
Lack of disclosure always strikes me as an odd critique of a people who openly publish our history, journals, doctrines, practices, etc.
You are correct- the critiques miss the vital point that there is not enough time in regular classes to cover the basics much less tangential discussions of Mormon minutiae. That is what the internet is for.
You are correct- the critiques miss the vital point that there is not enough time in regular classes to cover the basics much less tangential discussions of Mormon minutiae. That is what the internet is for.
You don't understand. We are not only supposed to lead the horse to water we are also to shove his head in and make him drink and then forcefeed him more until he has drunk everything. Anything less would be fundamentally dishonest.
Twisting God's work into my own hellish, slithering, mutatious...thing.
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 10:26 AM
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I mean, as a Missionary it was hard enough getting people to read sparse exerpts from the BOM let alone get into the intricute details and volumns of Church History. (eg. MMM, Polygamy, etc. etc. etc.)
When they've read the sections in the Book of Mormon where Adam tamed the whale and where Joseph Smith rode the White Buffalo then they might be ready to tackle those subjects.
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