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[Hamilton Porter]

Ram = high ton = place
Rameumpton = High Place, Asherah cult object?

[Ron Beron]

Interesting conjecture, but the high places (elevated areas overlooking a town) were areas of worship which included the seat of the deity and an asherah pole.  The description of the Rameumptom, while a high place (tower) is not described as having the same items.  They were under condemnation under Josiah ostensibly because they competed against the temple in Jerusalem.

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From the Old Testament and from existing remains a good idea may be formed of the appearance of such a place of worship. It was often on the hill above the town, as at Ramah (I Samuel 9:12-14); there was a stele (matzevah), the seat of the deity, and a wooden post or pole (asherah, named after the goddess Asherah), which marked the place as sacred and was itself an object of worship; there was a stone altar, often of considerable size and hewn out of the solid rock' or built of unhewn stones (Exodus 20:25; see altar), on which offerings were burnt (mizbeh, lit. "slaughter place"); a cistern for water, and perhaps low stone tables for dressing the victims; sometimes also a hall (lishkah) for the sacrificial feasts.  Wiki

[Zakuska]

Ron Beron, on 19 July 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Interesting conjecture, but the high places (elevated areas overlooking a town) were areas of worship which included the seat of the deity and an asherah pole.  The description of the Rameumptom, while a high place (tower) is not described as having the same items.  They were under condemnation under Josiah ostensibly because they competed against the temple in Jerusalem.

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From the Old Testament and from existing remains a good idea may be formed of the appearance of such a place of worship. It was often on the hill above the town, as at Ramah (I Samuel 9:12-14); there was a stele (matzevah), the seat of the deity, and a wooden post or pole (asherah, named after the goddess Asherah), which marked the place as sacred and was itself an object of worship; there was a stone altar, often of considerable size and hewn out of the solid rock' or built of unhewn stones (Exodus 20:25; see altar), on which offerings were burnt (mizbeh, lit. "slaughter place"); a cistern for water, and perhaps low stone tables for dressing the victims; sometimes also a hall (lishkah) for the sacrificial feasts. Wiki

Modern day Asherah.
http://upload.wikime...tripperpole.jpg

[Hamilton Porter]

Zakuska, on 19 July 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

Modern day Asherah.

http://upload.wikime...tripperpole.jpg

You are about to get banned. 3...2...1

Ron Beron, on 19 July 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Interesting conjecture, but the high places (elevated areas overlooking a town) were areas of worship which included the seat of the deity and an asherah pole.  The description of the Rameumptom, while a high place (tower) is not described as having the same items.  They were under condemnation under Josiah ostensibly because they competed against the temple in Jerusalem.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Ron Beron]

Zakuska, on 19 July 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

Modern day Asherah.
http://upload.wikime...tripperpole.jpg

How did you get that in your room?

[Freedom]

Zakuska, on 19 July 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

Modern day Asherah.
http://upload.wikime...tripperpole.jpg

that looks like a polish Asherah.

[Robert F. Smith]

Hamilton Porter, on 19 July 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Ram = high ton = place
Rameumpton = High Place, Asherah cult object?

Your spelling of the word RAMEUMPTOM is close, but one letter off.

The correct etymology is given at Alma 31:13,21,23, "Holy-Stand; a place of standing which was high above the head," inside the Zoramite synagogues -- where one person at a time would stand and deliver a prayer which has the content of ha-Tefilla, the ancient Jewish prayer par excellence, otherwise known as the 'Amida "Standing-prayer" = Shemone-'esre the "Eighteen-benedictions" of modern rabbinic Judaism.

The Hebrew for this Zoramite bima must be ram- "high-place-of" (Isa 10:33 plural) + 'omdam "their-standing" (Neh 8:7).  Cognate with Egyptian rm‘ "height, elevation, high place," with determinative glyph of someone in prayer, arms raised, as with the Zoramites, Alma 31:14, and with Jesus, Luke 24:50.

During the Muslim Hajj, the pilgrims likewise stand on the Plain of Arafat with arms raised praying for repentance (Arabic ʿumdan “standing”).[1]

[1] As noted by John Tvedtnes, “Vestiges.”

Edited by Robert F. Smith, 19 July 2012 - 01:53 PM.

[Zakuska]

Hamilton Porter, on 19 July 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

You are about to get banned. 3...2...1

Banned why?  According to the OT thats what the people did with the Ahserah poles.

[Robert F. Smith]

Zakuska, on 19 July 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Banned why?  According to the OT thats what the people did with the Ahserah poles.

You're a sly dog, Zakuska.

[robuchan]

Hamilton Porter, on 19 July 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Ram = high ton = place
Rameumpton = High Place, Asherah cult object?

What language are you using to get ram = high place?

[Pa Pa]

Hamilton Porter, on 19 July 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Ram = high ton = place
Rameumpton = High Place, Asherah cult object?

Don't believe it.

[volgadon]

robuchan, on 20 July 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

What language are you using to get ram = high place?

I'm more interested in knowing how he got ton = place.