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[Libs]

CASteinman, on 02 July 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

These "insults" by Welch are rather gentle and lightweight.  But to Dehlin they strike at his heart and grieve him.  

Dehlin must be a very sensitive soul.

I think he is a sensitive soul, which is why he is so good at what he does.

Long term, the only opinions that really count are those whom he has helped....and God.

[William Schryver]

Libs, on 02 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I think he is a sensitive soul, which is why he is so good at what he does.

Leading people down the path of apostasy is the sign of a "sensitive soul"?

Who'd a known?

[Kenngo1969]

Here is a poster's reply to Rosalynde Welch's post at Patheos, followed by my reply.

Hodjaz: It never surprises me what people will write to keep the status quo and gain a little favor. Perhaps most telling is how damaging the shake up was to LDS amateur apologist cronyism. Danny Boy was a mean, arrogant, un-respected man in all circles outside of BYU/Provo Utah where he was of course in good company. RIP Dan we will miss your lies and attacks. Perhaps you can take a few more BofM tour trips to South America.

Kenngo1969: It's said that one can tell a lot about someone by who his friends are. I suspect the same is true of one's enemies. I have a great deal of respect for Professor Peterson and his friends, and, quite frankly, a good deal less respect for his enemies. If your interaction with him has been confined to cyberspace and you have never had the chance to interact with him face-to-face, I wonder if that interaction has provided you with enough information to enable you to make the judgments you do about him. (And I say that as one who has never interacted with him face-to-face myself). I also wonder where you're getting your information about how Professor Peterson is regarded in academic circles. Personally, I suspect it is, well ... suspect.

I don't deny that what has happened at the Maxwell Institute portends challenges for Professors Peterson, Midgley, Hamblin, Welch, et al, and their brand of LDS apologetics. And, while I've read a good deal of what has been produced by FARMS/the Maxwell Institute/the Mormon Review over the years, I'm not prepared to concede that your characterization of that product is correct. And I think your giddy crowing over the alleged demise of Peterson/Hamblin (et al) style apologetics is entirely premature.

"Danny Boy"? Thanks for bringing to mind one of my favorite songs. And one man's "meanness" and "arrogance" are another man's good-natured ribbing and refusal to suffer fools gladly by folks who see no need to allow those who attack the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its principles and practices, and its leaders to do so without opposition; in other words, they fulfill Elder Maxwell's vision of refusing to allow the opposition uncontested slam-dunks.

"RIP"? I wasn't aware that anyone had died. If someone had, I would find your crowing over that to be at least as mean-spirited as you accuse Professor Peterson of being. While I'm sure Professor Peterson and others feel the setback very keenly given everything they have devoted to the Maxwell Institute and its predecessor organizations over the years, I doubt they're the kind of people who will be content to ride off into the sunset. While I won't presume to predict what form any "Phoenix rising from the ashes" might take, I doubt you've seen the last of "former-MI-style" apologetics.

Edited by Kenngo1969, 02 July 2012 - 05:23 PM.

[Tacenda]

Libs, on 02 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I think he is a sensitive soul, which is why he is so good at what he does.

Long term, the only opinions that really count are those whom he has helped....and God.

True, so true!

[Pahoran]

Hamilton Porter, on 02 July 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

His response to this patheos article:

http://www.patheos.c...06-29-2012.html



Insulting Mormon Stories = Insulting everyone who's ever been on that podcast?

John Dehlin is not a sharp cookie.

On the contrary.  This is the same tactic he used with the Greg Smith critique: chant incessantly that it was "mean" and get people to dismiss it without reading it.  It worked once, why shouldn't it work again?

Mister Dehlin is clearly a very sharp cookie.  When it comes to manipulating people, there are few sharper.

Regards,
Pahoran

[Libs]

William Schryver, on 02 July 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Leading people down the path of apostasy is the sign of a "sensitive soul"?

Who'd a known?

I don't think he is doing that.  Many were already on that path, before they met up with John Dehlin.  And, some were just trying to find a way to stay in the church, with integrity.  I think John, himself, was looking for exactly that, in the beginning....and he is actually still in the church, although, granted, just by a thread, but still there....and so are many of his associates (I don't really like calling them "followers"...Mormon Stories is not a religion)..

OTOH, I think John lost some of his objectivity, when it came to Dr. Peterson (whom I very much respect and admire).

[CASteinman]

Libs, on 02 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I think he is a sensitive soul, which is why he is so good at what he does.

Long term, the only opinions that really count are those whom he has helped....and God.

I do not believe the opinions of those he has "helped" matter either, really.   But I agree about God.

[cwald]

CASteinman, on 02 July 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

I do not believe the opinions of those he has "helped" matter either, really...

Wow...just another example of why people who are struggling with faith need Mormon stories.

[Darren10]

Hamilton Porter, on 02 July 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

John Dehlin is not a sharp cookie.

Nor a chocolate chip cookie. Those are sweet.

[ERayR]

Libs, on 02 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I think he is a sensitive soul, which is why he is so good at what he does.

Long term, the only opinions that really count are those whom he has helped....and God.

Sensitive to what?  The cold, heat or that he just cries when he doesn't have everything his way?

[ERayR]

Pahoran, on 02 July 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

On the contrary.  This is the same tactic he used with the Greg Smith critique: chant incessantly that it was "mean" and get people to dismiss it without reading it.  It worked once, why shouldn't it work again?

Mister Dehlin is clearly a very sharp cookie.  When it comes to manipulating people, there are few sharper.

Regards,
Pahoran

But Pahoran he is sooooooooo sensitive.

[ERayR]

Libs, on 02 July 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

I don't think he is doing that.  Many were already on that path, before they met up with John Dehlin. And, some were just trying to find a way to stay in the church, with integrity.  I think John, himself, was looking for exactly that, in the beginning....and he is actually still in the church, although, granted, just by a thread, but still there....and so are many of his associates (I don't really like calling them "followers"...Mormon Stories is not a religion)..

OTOH, I think John lost some of his objectivity, when it came to Dr. Peterson (whom I very much respect and admire).

And he only greased the slide.  How helpful.

[Hamilton Porter]

Pahoran, on 02 July 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

On the contrary.  This is the same tactic he used with the Greg Smith critique: chant incessantly that it was "mean" and get people to dismiss it without reading it.  It worked once, why shouldn't it work again?

Mister Dehlin is clearly a very sharp cookie.  When it comes to manipulating people, there are few sharper.

Regards,
Pahoran

So he posts an article critical of him, and tries to send his troops to mob Welch. Then too many Welch supporters comment, and he take the link down. Guy is a wuss.

[Kerry A. Shirts]

Hamilton Porter, on 03 July 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

So he posts an article critical of him, and tries to send his troops to mob Welch. Then too many Welch supporters comment, and he take the link down. Guy is a wuss.