Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Johnny - Does eternal have bounds?Actually, yes, it does. The Hebrew "Qedem," as well as "'olam" can mean endless duration, but they also can mean limited time in either past or future, so it depends on which context you aregue from and use in the Hebrew meaning of the scriptures. Indeed. This is correct.Paul O Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 ScriptureLover writes,Actually, yes, it does. I would agree. Does infinite have bounds? Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Johnny - God is love ... does love need anyone to love it?Actually, yes. Love is only love when it is freely given away with no thought of reward in return. Love is a *verb* of action, not a noun as a simple thing existing in isolation. That's what I have been trying to tell him by reminding him that the idealized Trinity did nothing and had no one to love and nothing to love it. Paul O Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 The beginning is the beginning of space and time. God is beyond space and time. And what did he do during that time he had on his hands? Where was he when he did those thingsPaul O Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, That's what I have been trying to tell him by reminding him that the idealized Trinity did nothing and had no one to love and nothing to love it. The Trinity is one but it is not solitary.The Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, is one. Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Does eternity have a beginning? Your Trinity God was all alone for eternity with nothing to do. Does that answer your question?Paul O Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, And what did he do during that time he had on his hands? Where was he when he did those thingsAs I have said before the Bible does not reveal what he did and where he was? Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, Your Trinity God was all alone for eternity with nothing to do. Does that answer your question? How can three persons be alone? Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Again the Bible does not reveal what they did ... What do the Mormon scriptures reveal?Jesus did not have a glorified body prior to his incarnation.The Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father. Link to comment
ScriptureLover Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Johnny - I would agree. Does infinite have bounds?Yes. George Cantor, the great mathematician of the inifinite showed that there are different types of infinities. Each one has their own peculiar limitations, interestingly enough! For all that, they literally are infinite however.......eternal yet with limitations. The Hebrew of the Bible actually utilizes language in the same way, to show a foreverness yet limitation to time, God, events, places, etc. Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, But it's ONE God! Or so I thought that was what you believed. But now you say there are more than one? Three persons? It's one divine nature. It is one God in three divine persons.God is one but not solitary. Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 ScriptureLover writes,Yes. George Cantor showed that there are different types of infinities. What are the three types?Do all three types have bounds?Could you provide a link to "George Cantor"? Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Again the Bible does not reveal what they did ... What do the Mormon scriptures reveal?Jesus did not have a glorified body prior to his incarnation.The Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father. So we have a Trinity in existence before anything was made. The Trinity hadn Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 ScriptureLover writes,For all that, they literally are infinite however.......eternal yet with limitations. The Hebrew of the Bible actually utilizes language in the same way, to show a foreverness yet limitation to time, God, events, places, etc. Is God bound by space and time?Is a man bound by space and time? Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Johnny, what was the very first word ever uttered vocally by any member of the Trinity?Paul O Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Jesus did not have a glorified body prior to his incarnation. Therefore he was not yet made perfect in all things. He needed to have a body in order to perfect himself. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.Paul O Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Johnny, which member of the Trinity spoke first?Paul O Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 The Bible does not reveal that they talked about ... what do the Mormon scriptures reveal?The Father is the source of divinity.The Bible says the person of the Holy Ghost proceeds.The Bible does not reveal that they did ... what do the Mormon scriptures reveal?The first word that the Bible reveals is "Let their be light".Jesus was perfect as True God. Jesus was not perfect as True man.The Father is the source of the Word, the Son is the Word Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Johnny, the Mormon religion reveals that God has a Father and was begotten in heaven. Go figure.Apparently the Bible doesn Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Jesus was perfect as True God. Jesus was not perfect as True man. How could he have been perfected without his body? He had to have his body. Paul O Link to comment
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, Johnny, the Mormon religion reveals that God has a Father and was begotten in heaven. Go figure. How strange, because clearly the Bible does not reveal this. Also, might you tell me if there was a first time the Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father? I assume he was at his Father Link to comment
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 The Father is the source of the Word, the Son is the Word Oh, I see. So you mean to tell me that the divine incantation of, Link to comment
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