zerinus Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Get different manuals that show some interesting teachings and progress us in our eternal knowledge. The ones we have are truly horrible, or to quote our own Daniel C. Peterson "I think they are not very good."Which particular manuals were you referring to, and how do you propose improving them?Lets actually try to start learning something interesting and important.Like what?Lets get back to studying the scriptures instead of personalities who all taught the same thing (as the manuals edited show anyway).Curriculum for Gospel Doctrine class is the scriptures. The manual is designed to help the teacher teach the scriptures. And none of the others are about "personalities". So I still don't know what you are talking about.You read one, you've read em all for the next 25 years. LIFT OUR SPIRITS EWITH TRUTH not pablum and fluff.Still not any wiser as to what you are talking about. Would you clarify?
Bikeemikey Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Make it only two hours long.Have people clap and applause for stuff that is good.
DBMormon Posted June 26, 2012 Author Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) As for having special classes for the older members on the tough topics,After the 6 or 7 horses have been beaten to death,then what? then they assimilate back into the regular class. There are more then 6 or though but it would give every member a chance to understand what are appendages, gospel hobbies, speculation, ect.... and if done right would then get each member to better recognize truth and the pure gospel and focus on that. Edited June 26, 2012 by DBMormon
Kenngo1969 Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 More Cheerios and picture books! Any questions?!
why me Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Any other thoughts?This is a difficult one. For the church to become more fun, the people themselves need to become more fun. The mormon church depends on its people to teach and give talks. These all can be done in a fun way but...it can be problem without training in public speaking and teaching. The key can begin with you. Are you a fun person and if so, can you bring this personality into your talks and teachings? 1
why me Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Get different manuals that show some interesting teachings and progress us in our eternal knowledge. The ones we have are truly horrible, or to quote our own Daniel C. Peterson "I think they are not very good."Lets actually try to start learning something interesting and important. Lets get back to studying the scriptures instead of personalities who all taught the same thing (as the manuals edited show anyway). You read one, you've read em all for the next 25 years. LIFT OUR SPIRITS EWITH TRUTH not pablum and fluff.Maybe the people who create these manuals are not fun people. This could be a problem. We need to have more fun people in the COB. Maybe they are taking life too seriously. That being said, I know that you can take that manual and make it fun because you seem like a fun guy. We need more people in the church who have fun with life...they are out in the world laughing, joking, and just having fun. If not, the lds will continue to have serious people giving serious talks and lessons.It all begins with us.
wenglund Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I learned early on as a child that fun and enjoyment are things I create and am responsible for myself and not something expected of others, including the Church. In other words, if I am not having fun and enjoying church, I look inward for the reason and the change. Having done so over the years, I thoroughly enjoy myself each sabbath.Thanks, -Wade Englund- 2
BCSpace Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 What would it take for church to be more enjoyable to you.More debate and discussion of deep and/or controversial issues.
altersteve Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 I learned early on as a child that fun and enjoyment are things I create and am responsible for myself and not something expected of others, including the Church. In other words, if I am not having fun and enjoying church, I look inward for the reason and the change. Having done so over the years, I thoroughly enjoy myself each sabbath.Thanks, -Wade Englund-I agree with this. If you're not having fun, it's not the Church's fault.
Traela Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Once the air conditioning goes on, the men's uniform should change to short-sleeved shirts and no jackets. If the women are freezing, the men should, too!
Duncan Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Fun? speaking as a guy-How about water guns for the kiddies, and play hockey while listening to GC in EQ or football if you don't have what it takes to play hockey
ERayR Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Be prepared and willing to participate within the outlined lesson parameters. Any one of those lessons can go in several directions but if you help the instructor maintain his direction of preparation and leave your personal pet theories for discussion with families and friends it can be quite enjoyable.
Libs Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 My adult son went to church with me exactly once, and complained about how boring it was. I told that to a friend of mine (who asked why he didn't come back). I told him, "my son was bored", and he said, "church is not meant for entertainment, but for instruction". We are an entertainment oriented society, these days. No patience for anything that isn't stimulating our senses. 1
Craig Paxton Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 There's a reason that a large percentage of congregants sleep during their weekly church attendance....its boring. The lessons are boring and repeated over and over...The meetings are boring and repetitive, The speakers are boring..no wonder the children cry and the members sleep...no where else could this happen... 1
Calm Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) no where else could this happen...Drama much....I've seen it in a few college classes myself...minus the childrenMy worst church meeting was in a Russian Orthodox Church. No pews, we all just stood and it was pretty packed. Couldn't understand him, but it wouldn't have matter anyway because all I could hear was a mumble even though I tried to get as close as I could. People pretty much just stood around and stared at the icons, even the Russians. A few of the older people seemed to know what they were doing, but everyone else looked out of it. I don't remember any involvement of the congregation. Hopefully it was just that day or priest. Maybe volgadon can give us more details on what a RO service should be like. Our hosts weren't religious so them taking us there was a big favour and we didn't want to impose on them again and there were no churches within walking distance of our home...plus the looks we got weren't too friendly, don't think they liked tourists even though we had canadian patches all over our stuff (some Russians really hated Americans, refused to serve Americans at stores, spat on them, etc...others loved them) Edited June 26, 2012 by calmoriah
cwald Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Modernize the music. It doesn't have to feel like funeral every Sunday. 3
ERayR Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Find more members who are interested in learning gospel principles instead of being entertained.
Duncan Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Modernize the music. It doesn't have to feel like funeral every Sunday.you mean like this? If this was made 20 plus years ago I would be the one with the tie around my head![media=] Edited June 26, 2012 by Duncan 1
Tacenda Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 you mean like this? If this was made 20 plus years ago I would be the one with the tie around my head![media=] When I taught Primary the song "Scripture Power" was a huge favorite for them, especially when they were able to hold up their scriptures high in the air. The kids liked the energy involved and conviction. And in our Sac. Mtng. the music, atleast in my ward, needs a quicker tempo, it's almost sacriligious to sing as if we are asleep. I know that I'm as big a culprit as any. But if I had a wish or dream it would be for ours to sound like they do in the movie called "Joyful Noise". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azwlh61FdFI&feature=related
why me Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 There's a reason that a large percentage of congregants sleep during their weekly church attendance....its boring. The lessons are boring and repeated over and over...The meetings are boring and repetitive, The speakers are boring..no wonder the children cry and the members sleep...no where else could this happen...It is wonderful that you are here to entertain us. You always make us laugh.
Calm Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 And in our Sac. Mtng. the music, atleast in my ward, needs a quicker tempo, it's almost sacriligious to sing as if we are asleep.Music directors who have experience outside the Church are a blessing in my experience because they tend to push the tempo more than those who have been limited to performing in church environments.
DBMormon Posted June 26, 2012 Author Posted June 26, 2012 Personally I think church is awesome... like I said twice a week would be cool..... I think it is what you make of it, though a good ward helps.
DH Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Increase the amount of actual praise and worship in sacrament meeting. In other words, make sacrament meeting a worship service. To me, a talk about tithing, priesthood authority, modesty, or whatever, is instruction, not worship. Save most of the doctrinal instruction for another meeting.More music in sacrament meeting, as a form of worship. Perhaps loosen up a bit on the rules regarding what kinds of music and instruments are permitted, within reason. My mother was once told that the Bach organ piece she played as prelude music was inappropriate. Never mind that Bach wrote the piece for a Christian worship service!Scripture readings, and readings of relevant poetry could also be included in sacrament meeting. (Poetry often touches my soul.)Perhaps eliminate one of the other meetings, and give people some time to socialize. There's been a lot of emphasis on reverence recently, and I suspect part of the problem is that people are happy to see each other and want to socialize, but have to rush off to other meetings, and so they take what chance they can and chat before sacrament meeting, and immediately afterwards, rather than quietly enter the chapel and calm down before the service, and then reverently exiting afterwards. If they knew they'd have a half hour or so to socialize later, it might be easier to convince them to be reverent in the chapel immediate before and after sacrament meeting. (Maybe!)Keep teaching doctrine, but put more emphasis on praxis, how to make practical everyday use of the principles being taught.And I do like the idea of lowering the temperature a bit. All that body heat makes a difference!
Calm Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 Increase the amount of actual praise and worship in sacrament meeting. In other words, make sacrament meeting a worship service. To me, a talk about tithing, priesthood authority, modesty, or whatever, is instruction, not worship. Save most of the doctrinal instruction for another meeting.I understand this position, but for me when Christ said "if you love me, keep my commandments" our obedience became worship and thus that turned instruction in how to keep those commandments into a form of worship as well.I would like some more thanksgiving though myself. And a hymn before the last speaker. 1
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