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[mfbukowski]

After some help doing research on this, which I am totally terrible at, the help graciously provided by a fellow poster here who shall remain anonymous unless he/she wants to acknowledge the effort, I have come to the following conclusion:

I think that the initial leak was probably delivered somehow to Kevin Graham, who then leaked it to Scratch on the other board.

I have no special information on this- just looking in detail at threads on the other board.   It is not that I am being all mysterious it is just that we are not supposed to link to posts over there, and even though there appear to be ways of doing it on the sly,  I am probably already on the mods bad side here anyway.

But the first inkling of this was clearly from Kevin Graham, who on June 15th just posted about the possibility of some "changes" to be, and then Scratch, the "malevolent stalker", on June 16th started the thread which finally broke the story which he claimed came from one of his "sources".

It's all there for the finding if you don't mind wading around in the muck to dig it out, as my friendly poster did for me.

Edited by mfbukowski, 25 June 2012 - 03:51 PM.

[USU78]

When Craig Jessop was dismissed as director of the MoTabs after President Hinckley died (they let him resign, but made it clear his authority was being so curtailed that continuing was unthinkable), there was no mention of any cause or reason.

He shortly thereafter gets a plum job at USU, heading up the music and theater departments.

The money was probably a bit better, though the continued notariety suffered a bit.

All in all, not a bad deal.

It may be that our favorite Professor Doktor is now facing a similar uptick in his life.

I certainly hope this turns out to be the case.

And shame on those miserable bureaucrats at yBu, living fairly high on the backs of the Phillipina widows whose mites fund their salaries.  A pox on all their houses!

[Matthew J. Tandy]

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I think that the initial leak was probably delivered somehow to Kevin Graham, who then leaked it to Scratch on the other board.

Even if that were true, that would hardly make Kevin the "leak". Once he had the info from somewhere else, then that would seem to make him not the leak. Accusing Kevin of passing on info he received is pointless. I suppose you could use it to limit the number of people who could be the mole, but even that would be tenuous at best.

[John Ping Pong]

I expect the leaker is somebody who values John Dehlin more than Daniel Peterson.

And his job less than either.

[Somebodyz]

mfbukowski, on 25 June 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

I think that the initial leak was probably delivered somehow to Kevin Graham, who then leaked it to Scratch on the other board.

I read the same over there a day or so ago. Still doesn't tell us who the leaker is. Just says something about those who passed it on and posted it.

I hope those at MI find the leaker and deal with him/her. It would be horrid to see a witch hunt start or innocent people accused.

[ERayR]

Somebodyz, on 25 June 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

I read the same over there a day or so ago. Still doesn't tell us who the leaker is. Just says something about those who passed it on and posted it.

I hope those at MI find the leaker and deal with him/her. It would be horrid to see a witch hunt start or innocent people accused.

Don't you understand the 2nd thing that takes place is to blame the innocent.

[Somebodyz]

John Ping Pong, on 25 June 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

I expect the leaker is somebody who values John Dehlin more than Daniel Peterson.

And his job less than either.

Doubt it has much to do with Dehlin, think he's been over rated in all this. Seems someones been leaking for sometime before Dehlin decided he embraced censorship.

[John Ping Pong]

ERayR, on 25 June 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

Don't you understand the 2nd thing that takes place is to blame the innocent.

I believe the monsters are due on Maple Street.

[Chris Smith]

No, mfb. The first to post about it was apparently Dr. Scratch himself on the 14th. See the chronology here: http://www.clobberblog.com/

[Pahoran]

Matthew J. Tandy, on 25 June 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Even if that were true, that would hardly make Kevin the "leak". Once he had the info from somewhere else, then that would seem to make him not the leak. Accusing Kevin of passing on info he received is pointless. I suppose you could use it to limit the number of people who could be the mole, but even that would be tenuous at best.

I agree that Mr Graham is certainly not the mole.  The mole, by definition, is someone inside the Institute who is feeding information to someone outside.

But if Mr Graham is indeed the outside point of contact -- and he would certainly not be restrained by anything as irrelevant as moral scruples from disseminating information unethically given to him -- then that might help to narrow the list of suspects.  Because he has frequently bragged about the "Mormon apologists" he counts as "friends."  Although the expression "useful idiots" might be more apropos.

But I agree that a witch hunt is absolutely not what anyone wants (with the possible exception of Graham and his cronies) so I hope that Dr Bradford moves swiftly, courageously and decisively to deal with the mole.

Maybe he'll start by arranging for him/her to take an overseas trip....

Regards,
Pahoran

[mfbukowski]

USU78, on 25 June 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

And shame on those miserable bureaucrats at yBu, living fairly high on the backs of the Phillipina widows whose mites fund their salaries.  A pox on all their houses!

I think I am really beginning to understand your point.  At first I just figured you were totally devoted to your alma mater, but I am beginning to see the conflicts in using church funds to support academic political squabbling.

[calmoriah]

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Maybe he'll start by arranging for him/her to take an overseas trip....

There needs to be a 'snort' smilie.

[mfbukowski]

Matthew J. Tandy, on 25 June 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Even if that were true, that would hardly make Kevin the "leak". Once he had the info from somewhere else, then that would seem to make him not the leak. Accusing Kevin of passing on info he received is pointless. I suppose you could use it to limit the number of people who could be the mole, but even that would be tenuous at best.

Yes, that was only speculation on my part- but he WAS the first to post about it as far as I can tell.  The fact is that he obviously knew something before the story broke and even before the full leak.

But of course there is no way of knowing if he had possession of the letters, he might have just heard it "through the grapevine"

Darn good grapevine though....

[mfbukowski]

Chris Smith, on 25 June 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

No, mfb. The first to post about it was apparently Dr. Scratch himself on the 14th. See the chronology here: http://www.clobberblog.com/

GREAT find- thanks- I stand corrected.   (actually I sit corrected, but you know what I mean)  

According to that, SCRATCH KNEW BEFORE THE EMAIL WAS SENT TO DCP

Uh oh.

Edited by mfbukowski, 25 June 2012 - 04:41 PM.

[Nemesis]

calmoriah, on 25 June 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

There needs to be a 'snort' smilie.

This was the best I could do with out using a smiley with drug refrences.  

Nemesis

[Tacenda]

mfbukowski, on 25 June 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

GREAT find- thanks- I stand corrected.   (actually I sit corrected, but you know what I mean)  

According to that, SCRATCH KNEW BEFORE THE EMAIL WAS SENT TO DCP

Uh oh.

I feel as if I'm watching a group of you playing Clue, love it.

[mfbukowski]

Nemesis, on 25 June 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

This was the best I could do with out using a smiley with drug refrences.  

Nemesis

Gee Cal you sure get instant results around here    

[mfbukowski]

Tacenda, on 25 June 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

I feel as if I'm watching a group of you playing Clue, love it.

Well it is a bit more serious than that.  Even in the early posts, there was talk about taking them down for fear of possible prosecution.  Fortunately it is a little late now for them to do that.  In fact one poster over there was concerned that his screen name would be seen as a sock puppet for Scratch- and he did not want to be implicated if it all turned out to be a hoax.

[Matthew J. Tandy]

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GREAT find- thanks- I stand corrected.   (actually I sit corrected, but you know what I mean)  

According to that, SCRATCH KNEW BEFORE THE EMAIL WAS SENT TO DCP

Uh oh.

Now THAT, if correct, is especially interesting. That would mean they would have to be in close contact with Brother Bradford.

[CV75]

Maybe it wasn't a leak but a hack.