From my experience and observations, BYU is not immune from the intrigues of higher ed politics.
But it has the added layers of the Church and its employees and leaders. The MI dustup, IMO, has
all the hallmarks of typical higher ed skullduggery.
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My Assessment Of The Situation At The Maxwell Institute
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:30 AM
"Are you over Fool's Hill yet?"
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:46 AM
Bernard Gui, on 26 June 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:
That's exactly what I have done...part time at a 2 year community college.
It's fun watching the politics among the full-timers, but not having to be
involved.
Bernard
It's fun watching the politics among the full-timers, but not having to be
involved.
Bernard
Did it for a short time in the hinterlands of Wy some years ago.
Yes it is amusing trying to figure out whose PhD is better.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:40 AM
I used to think the Church should be more open with its financial information, including the stipends given to leaders.
After seeing this discussion about MormonStories' finances, I have changed my mind and now feel that the Church should not open its books.
After seeing this discussion about MormonStories' finances, I have changed my mind and now feel that the Church should not open its books.
Edited by cinepro, 26 June 2012 - 11:41 AM.
The LDS Stake Medium Council Blog
In spite of the world's arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God's prophets.
The Flood and the Tower of Babel, by Donald W. Parry, assistant professor of Hebrew at BYU, Ensign, Jan 1998, 35
In spite of the world's arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God's prophets.
The Flood and the Tower of Babel, by Donald W. Parry, assistant professor of Hebrew at BYU, Ensign, Jan 1998, 35
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:41 AM
cursor, on 26 June 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:
This is pretty good. So far the best blog entry I've seen. At least this isn't an attack on Bradford or BYU.
There is no truth except as God says it... Bob's blog.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:37 PM
cinepro, on 26 June 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:
I used to think the Church should be more open with its financial information, including the stipends given to leaders.
After seeing this discussion about MormonStories' finances, I have changed my mind and now feel that the Church should not open its books.
After seeing this discussion about MormonStories' finances, I have changed my mind and now feel that the Church should not open its books.
How nice when someone sees the light.
To whom it may concern: If you feel inclined to do anything for or in behalf of me after I die -- or even while I'm living, for that matter -- that is comparable in intent to Mormon vicarious baptisms or other ordinances for the dead, feel free. I would even regard it as a magnanimous gesture. I would appreciate the thought in any case.
Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
If I detest anything as virulently as anti-Mormons obviously detest Mormonism, feel free to label me as "anti-" the thing I detest. I won't mind in the least.
An author who undertakes to criticize publicly another's religious faith and practice has the obligation, in the first instance, to understand it.
... and the anti-Mormon saith unto them: I am no anti-Mormon, for there is none — and thus he whispereth in their ears.
Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
If I detest anything as virulently as anti-Mormons obviously detest Mormonism, feel free to label me as "anti-" the thing I detest. I won't mind in the least.
An author who undertakes to criticize publicly another's religious faith and practice has the obligation, in the first instance, to understand it.
... and the anti-Mormon saith unto them: I am no anti-Mormon, for there is none — and thus he whispereth in their ears.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:11 PM
Cobalt-70, on 26 June 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:
So I assume you would consider the Nicene Creed to be an equilibrium point within early Christianity.
No, that was out of balance and apostasy.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:14 PM
[Sorry--mistake!]
Edited by DH, 26 June 2012 - 01:16 PM.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:21 PM
Scott Lloyd, on 26 June 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:
How nice when someone sees the light.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:24 PM
calmoriah, on 26 June 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:
Isn't he a grad student?
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For as their laws and their governments were established by the voice of the people, and they who chose evil were more numerous than they who chose good, therefore they were ripening for destruction, for the laws had become corrupted. (Helaman 5:2}
For as their laws and their governments were established by the voice of the people, and they who chose evil were more numerous than they who chose good, therefore they were ripening for destruction, for the laws had become corrupted. (Helaman 5:2}
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:52 PM
William Schryver, on 26 June 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:
I think you've misunderstood the sarcasm underlying cinepro's comment.
I think you misunderstood mine.
To whom it may concern: If you feel inclined to do anything for or in behalf of me after I die -- or even while I'm living, for that matter -- that is comparable in intent to Mormon vicarious baptisms or other ordinances for the dead, feel free. I would even regard it as a magnanimous gesture. I would appreciate the thought in any case.
Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
If I detest anything as virulently as anti-Mormons obviously detest Mormonism, feel free to label me as "anti-" the thing I detest. I won't mind in the least.
An author who undertakes to criticize publicly another's religious faith and practice has the obligation, in the first instance, to understand it.
... and the anti-Mormon saith unto them: I am no anti-Mormon, for there is none — and thus he whispereth in their ears.
Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
If I detest anything as virulently as anti-Mormons obviously detest Mormonism, feel free to label me as "anti-" the thing I detest. I won't mind in the least.
An author who undertakes to criticize publicly another's religious faith and practice has the obligation, in the first instance, to understand it.
... and the anti-Mormon saith unto them: I am no anti-Mormon, for there is none — and thus he whispereth in their ears.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 03:33 PM
mfbukowski, on 26 June 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:
I am really beginning to wonder if BYU should exist at all.
Its OK with me if you disagree with its Mission. Everyone is different. I, however, agree with BYU's Mission and even to a degree -- with some of the things it does that may seem to be outside of its mission (like Football).
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 03:51 PM
CASteinman, on 26 June 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:
Its OK with me if you disagree with its Mission. Everyone is different. I, however, agree with BYU's Mission and even to a degree -- with some of the things it does that may seem to be outside of its mission (like Football).
Of course I am being sarcastic. The only question I am asking is pretty simple actually- it's should we be using tithing funds for purposes which can be done just as well or better by secular institutions.
Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's- and to God the things that are God's. We are already rendering to Caesar for public education- couldn't those funds rendered to God be used for God's work instead of secular pursuits?
Why do we need to protect freshmen from learning American History the way the world sees it? Aren't we supposed to be "in the world" but not of it?
Everywhere but in Utah, all our kids get to answer all those uncomfortable questions ever day at college, I am just suggesting we spread the blessings of figuring out the answers around a bit
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:13 PM
William Schryver, on 26 June 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:
I think you've misunderstood the sarcasm underlying cinepro's comment.
Go easy on 'im Will. He hasn't been around the board long, and it can take a while for noobs to learn all the different personalities in groups like this.
Edited by cinepro, 26 June 2012 - 04:14 PM.
The LDS Stake Medium Council Blog
In spite of the world's arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God's prophets.
The Flood and the Tower of Babel, by Donald W. Parry, assistant professor of Hebrew at BYU, Ensign, Jan 1998, 35
In spite of the world's arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God's prophets.
The Flood and the Tower of Babel, by Donald W. Parry, assistant professor of Hebrew at BYU, Ensign, Jan 1998, 35
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:48 PM
mfbukowski, on 26 June 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:
Of course I am being sarcastic. The only question I am asking is pretty simple actually- it's should we be using tithing funds for purposes which can be done just as well or better by secular institutions.
But no secular institution can do anywhere near as well as BYU with regard to the objectives of the Kingdom.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:12 PM
CASteinman, on 26 June 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:
But no secular institution can do anywhere near as well as BYU with regard to the objectives of the Kingdom.
But if it was doing a better job, fewer would lose their testimonies when they get into the real world.
"I see Religion as creating a language to speak of the divine and sacred. Since I see creating this language as a creative act, ... creating a certain view of heaven and earth, a living 'image' of God and Man and their story, past, present and future." - Calmoriah
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:11 PM
Ralph Hancock has posted a superb bit of commentary on this whole affair:
Did John Dehlin Bring Down the Mormon Studies Review?
Did John Dehlin Bring Down the Mormon Studies Review?
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:38 PM
Scott Lloyd, on 26 June 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:
How much time does it take to
Produce a podcast? Could be a fairly comfortable income for a part-time gig. Especially if he has another job with insurance benefits.
Produce a podcast? Could be a fairly comfortable income for a part-time gig. Especially if he has another job with insurance benefits.
Leo Laporte, who was and is a radio personality, now has an extensive podcast network with quite a number of fulltime employees. Most shows deal with technology in one way or another. Laporte makes lots of money, how much I don't know, but he sent his daughter to Spain for a school year on his earnings. They also bought a building to use as a studio and apparently fixing the studio up costs a LOT of money. Check it out: http://twit.tiv
I tried to create a podcast last year about Windows Phone, but discovered that I couldn't put two sentence together without completely messing them up. I decided it was not my forte.
Now, as to how much time it might take: a lot less than you might think, assuming you don't go to a lot of trouble to edit it.
Edited by Stargazer, 26 June 2012 - 10:39 PM.
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