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[calmoriah]

ltwin, on 20 June 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

I'm not sure. I'm curious as well since I know Synan is a well known and respected historian of Pentecostal history. There had to be something in the history for him to say it, and (no disrespect intended towards Mormons) it is not like there would be any advantage from the Pentecostal side to link its more distinctive motor phenomenon with the early LDS Church. Pentecostals know what it is to be accused of being a cult or heterodox and we certainly don't see any benefit in being linked to other suspect groups.

Agreed.

Thanks for the history lesson as well.  Very interesting.

Edited by calmoriah, 20 June 2012 - 05:14 PM.

[TAO]

Welcome to the board to both of you =D.

And I like lolcats... so here is a good one:



In any case, I hope you enjoy it here =).
-TAO

[Garden Girl]

I talk here on the board about my beautiful cat, Bob, who weighs 20 pounds and is so smart... a wonderful companion to me...

Well, in post #22 in this thread, Tao has posted a picture of a black/white cat... his markings are almost identical to Bob's!!  In fact, if I didn't know better, I would think it was a picture of Bob...

I love black and white cats... there is a whole website devoted to them...

Thanks, Tao...

GG

[thesometimesaint]

GG:

When I was young we had a black cat with white boots and bib. He had the loudest purr I've ever heard. He could be heard 75ft away.

[blueadept]

thesometimesaint, on 19 June 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Itwin:

..., but unlike the Catholic we have a lay ministry.

....... I guess I better double check the class I'm in with the other 100 folks that's designed to give members the basics so they can be lay ministers and maybe rethink the 5 groups I'm involved with that does lay ministry.   I'm confused.....I guess when I brought communion to the local senior care home, that didn't qualify.

[Garden Girl]

blueadept, on 21 June 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

....... I guess I better double check the class I'm in with the other 100 folks that's designed to give members the basics so they can be lay ministers and maybe rethink the 5 groups I'm involved with that does lay ministry.   I'm confused.....I guess when I brought communion to the local senior care home, that didn't qualify.

Now blueadept... you know good and well that when TSS was making a comparison between lay ministries that our LDS wards have a leadership (such as bishops and other ward leadership callings) that have jobs outside of that leadership... real 9 to 5 type jobs... whereas with the Catholic priests in a diocese that's all they do full time... this does not mean that there aren't others such as yourself that assist in this important work of serving...

GG

[Garden Girl]

thesometimesaint, on 21 June 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

GG:

When I was young we had a black cat with white boots and bib. He had the loudest purr I've ever heard. He could be heard 75ft away.

TSS... my Bob purrs loudly also... and starts the minute I pick him up, etc.  When he comes in every morning to wake me up (at 5:30 a.m.!) he'll lie down beside me and purr so loudly that I wake up, that is if he isn't butting me with his head... sometimes I groan and say... Bobby, it's too early!!... but he's relentless... and when I finally stumble out of bed he practically does a jig...

GG

[ltwin]

Garden Girl, on 22 June 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

Now blueadept... you know good and well that when TSS was making a comparison between lay ministries that our LDS wards have a leadership (such as bishops and other ward leadership callings) that have jobs outside of that leadership... real 9 to 5 type jobs... whereas with the Catholic priests in a diocese that's all they do full time... this does not mean that there aren't others such as yourself that assist in this important work of serving...

GG

Yeah, I took thesometimesaint's comment as referring to the lack of paid clergy in the LDS Church. I did not think he was implying that non-LDS lacked lay ministers.

[calmoriah]

thesometimesaint, on 19 June 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Itwin:

Welcome to the Glass Menagerie. We are more organized than the typical Protestant church, but unlike the Catholic we have a lay ministry.

We do have a very small percentage of our clergy/ministry that is full time and is paid (first presidency, apostles and 1st quorum of the seventy, IIRC) but most LDS interpret this in my experience as both a living stipend (rather than a salary one gets for one's career) as well as only applying to administrative duties, any preaching from the pulpit is not considered as part of what is being reimbursed for.

I assume that there are others who view this as a semantic difference only, the money ends up in the same pocket, etc.

Bottomline difference between our clergy and many others in my view is that is it not a personal choice, one is appointed to it (one cannot even solicit to be appointed though I wouldn't be surprised to hear that some had tried) and one does not go into the work expecting it to become one's career (though I do know a few people who have had the ambition to become apostles, etc. and spoken of it, they are the last ones I can see getting called to fill that calling, I would not be surprised to find a few who had kept their desire to themselves getting called.)

Also in my view, I admire anyone who enters the clergy of their church for the sole purpose of serving others and the Lord fulltime.  It is a strong and wonderful dedication and if a congregation or church desires to pay their clergy full time in order that they may put aside worldly worries for themselves (if not for their congregation), then it can in many cases turn to the benefit of all involved.  It is a shame that such offerings have often been tainted by those looking for power or money or an avenue for sin.

Edited by calmoriah, 22 June 2012 - 11:18 AM.