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[Hamilton Porter]

[Duncan]

I am missing something...

[Valentinus]

What about him?

[sjdawg]

Wow.   this will be the 3rd reply in a thread about nothing.   Feels like a Seinfeld episode

[mfbukowski]

This is pretty cool.  I looked once, and there was just the picture.  Then I saw that there were replies and figured it had been edited.

I wonder how many replies we can generate to a non-existent thread?

This is becoming a conceptual art piece.

[Buzzard]

Handsome devil for an old guy, no?

[ksfisher]

Perhaps the picture is being used to prove that there are no "others" in the picture

However, it cannot be used to prove that "others" don't exist in other pictures.

[DBMormon]

• He is an author who wrote a book!
  
• His book is loved by John Dehlin!
  
• I have never read it!

Three interesting facts about Grant Palmer

[Hamilton Porter]

Edited by Hamilton Porter, 18 June 2012 - 08:33 AM.

[Valentinus]

Hamilton Porter, on 18 June 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

Awkward!!

[Robert F. Smith]

Hamilton Porter, on 18 June 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

Nellie's blogspot (Nelson Chung) has been carrying on a debate with another site which is prohibited here, and so was probably removed from the OP by a moderator.  It may have had something to do with Grant Palmer's erroneous belief that science and religion conflict within Mormonism.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Grant Who?

Oh
Grant the Grocer. Oh yeah, I know that guy. Doesn't he work for Harmon's?

Edited by Mola Ram Suda Ram, 18 June 2012 - 08:54 AM.

[Hamilton Porter]

Robert F. Smith, on 18 June 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Nellie's blogspot (Nelson Chung) has been carrying on a debate with another site which is prohibited here, and so was probably removed from the OP by a moderator.  It may have had something to do with Grant Palmer's erroneous belief that science and religion conflict within Mormonism.

Or I just like posting creepy pictures of our critics.

Buzzard, on 18 June 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

Handsome devil for an old guy, no?

Indeed.

[cinepro]

Handsome old guy for a devil.

[Ron Beron]

Oh!  THAT Grant Palmer!  I wish him well, but he's wrong.

[mfbukowski]

ksfisher, on 18 June 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

Perhaps the picture is being used to prove that there are no "others" in the picture

However, it cannot be used to prove that "others" don't exist in other pictures.

On the other hand, we could switch his name around to "Palm Granter" which might imply that he could not only read your palm, but grant the wishes he sees there.  

[Nathair]

mfbukowski, on 18 June 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

On the other hand, we could switch his name around to "Palm Granter" which might imply that he could not only read your palm, but grant the wishes he sees there.  

"Palm Granter" makes me think of the concept of "crossing ones palm with silver."

[Chris Smith]

Mola Ram Suda Ram, on 18 June 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

Grant Who?

Oh
Grant the Grocer. Oh yeah, I know that guy. Doesn't he work for Harmon's?

I think you're getting your ad hominems mixed up. The grocery store smear concerned another scholar, whose magisterial works are owned, used, and appreciated by virtually every scholar who currently does any serious work on Joseph Smith. Your confusion is understandable, however, since most of the smears of Palmer were similarly inappropriate and irrelevant.

Edited by Chris Smith, 18 June 2012 - 05:34 PM.

[noel00]

Thats funny Chris, I was on Skype one day recently talking to that scholar and he got a call from the grocery store about his hours the next day. It's funny how someone who is working on projects that when published will not make him a lot of money, because he loves history. I heard Grant Palmer's book was a good seller. It was the same with Wesley P Walters. He did most of his research during his vacations and never received any great load of money. Both Dan Vogel and Michael Quinn paid him a visit in his office where he shared his research.

[kolipoki09]

Chris Smith, on 18 June 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

I think you're getting your ad hominems mixed up. The grocery store smear concerned another scholar, whose magisterial works are owned, used, and appreciated by virtually every scholar who currently does any serious work on Joseph Smith. Your confusion is understandable, however, since most of the smears of Palmer were similarly inappropriate and irrelevant.

Thank you, Chris. I must say, I disagree with Palmer on most of his conclusions. However, I'll judge his scholarship on its own merits and leave his personal life (and appearance) to himself.

If MDDB members ever wonder why so many people are fed up with the current state of Mormon apologetics, this thread is a classic example. It's something I'd expect to see while browsing the TrailerPark™ to be quite honest.

Mormon Studies as a whole has benefitted greatly from so-called "amateur" scholars, particularly those involved with Dialogue, The Journal of Mormon History, BYU Studies, and several self-published authors with careers largely unrelated to Mormonism and the study of religion in general.