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[thesometimesaint]

The Nehor:

Any such civil law would be entirely unenforceable. But it is a good thing God judges us not only by our actions but by the intents of our heart.

Edited by thesometimesaint, 08 June 2012 - 04:16 PM.

[daz2]

My understanding is that before divorce became legal in certain South American countries, the Church would baptize people who were technically married to someone else, but living as spouses with someone else.  In some cases, the former spouse had abandoned the innocent spouse decades ago.  I also understood that while someone could become a member in that situation, their relationship could not be sealed in the temple.

As to adultery and subsequent sealings of the participants in the adultery, the First Presidency must sign off on such a sealing, and the current handbook requires that the new couple have been married at least five years before such application can be made.

[Nominee]

The Nehor, on 08 June 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

Even if I accepted the idea that obedience to all laws is virtue (I don't and I don't think Joseph or Brigham did either) you are going a little far with the interpretation. To my knowledge it is not a crime in any jurisdiction in the United States to kiss someone who is not your spouse.

Is it a sin? Possibly. I would even say usually. But always? No.

What?! Nehor! It is against God's law to even lust after someone other than your spouse IN YOUR MIND! It is of course against God's law to kiss someone other than your spouse when you are still married! Honestly, you may be right, adultery may not be illegal in the United States but it is still adultery.

I realize you are focusing on the laws of the land. However, when it is asked whether anyone cares and I said yes! I am referring to God and his people. If the world's approval is the only approval that matters then no biggie for one on the subject. For me, God's approval matters. I believe that we all answer to Heavenly Father whether we respect his authority or not.

Just sayin' that the scriptures are pretty clear about what is adultery and what isn't. But I suppose anything can appear gray if you want it to.


~ Naomi

[The Nehor]

Nominee, on 08 June 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

What?! Nehor! It is against God's law to even lust after someone other than your spouse IN YOUR MIND! It is of course against God's law to kiss someone other than your spouse when you are still married! Honestly, you may be right, adultery may not be illegal in the United States but it is still adultery.

So when I kissed my niece on top of her head I was committing fornication and presumably incest?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I am so going to hell.

Nominee, on 08 June 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

I realize you are focusing on the laws of the land.

Yes, because you quoted that Article of Faith and then talked about law.

Nominee, on 08 June 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

However, when it is asked whether anyone cares and I said yes! I am referring to God and his people. If the world's approval is the only approval that matters then no biggie for one on the subject.

I prefer self-approval to the world's approval, God's approval over self-approval, and the approval of my invisible friend the most.

Nominee, on 08 June 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

For me, God's approval matters. I believe that we all answer to Heavenly Father whether we respect his authority or not.

Minor quibble but I would say that we all WILL answer. We certainly aren't now, definitely not in full.

Nominee, on 08 June 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

Just sayin' that the scriptures are pretty clear about what is adultery and what isn't. But I suppose anything can appear gray if you want it to.

The scriptures almost never refer to kissing at all actually. Well, there was that one kiss by Judas and the holy kiss in the Epistles which Paul advises brethren to give to each other on meeting. It's probably best not to combine that with President Kimball's definition of french-kissing as a 'holy kiss'.

[blueadept]

Lightbearer, on 07 June 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

I am not sure about other religions, ....

Most here know my story as a Catholic and my marriage to my LDS wife.  There are civil matters and religious matters in regards to divorce.  Wife applied for a civil divorce over 2 years ago and it was granted 6 months later.  She remarried in April of this year and I'm sure she will be sealed in the LDS Temple sometimes next year.  In the RCC's eyes (and mine), I'm still married to her.  I can't say that I recommend this type of marriage...