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[Gervin]

Pahoran, on 04 June 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

I agree with you that all of us have limited exposure the the 700 million people who identify as Evangelical, or indeed to whatever fraction of them who actually attend church on any given Sunday.

But we do have a few data points to go on with.  For example, we have been exposed to you.

Regards,
Pahoran

So, am I to assume your data point places me as among the "lost people full of hate, contention, dishonesty and evil"?

[theplains]

altersteve, on 03 June 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

First of all, Joseph never said that. That's a caricature. What he said was that God is a man like ourselves,

He did teach that. If you don't believe me, you can confirm it with your ward's bishop.  If he is not sure about the source
material, let me know and I will provide some.

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Second, do you believe the New Testament's teaching that the divine became man?

Yes. Jesus is fully God and fully man.

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If so, then what's so crazy about man becoming divine?

I noticed from the email that I received when you replied to my post that you originally asked, "If so, then what's so crazy
about man becoming God?"

Why did you change becoming God to becoming divine? Is this due to some theological difference?

It is not a crazy idea that a man and woman from another planet became the Heavenly Father and Mother of our
planet. I just don't believe this or the LDS gospel principle that "if we passed our tests, we would receive the fulness of
joy that our heavenly parents have received". I also don't believe "through a continual course of progression, our Heavenly
Father has received exaltation and glory, and He points us out the same path".

Thanks,
Jim

[Mudcat]

Bernard Gui, on 02 June 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Then I would want my ordination to serve as a bishop in the LDS church to be recognized by the Catholic Church.

I would also want to be bishop of your church.

Bernard

Sorry for the snarky overtones Bernard and the delayed response.

I guess in my thinking, membership in the CoJCoLDS is an exclusive sort of thing.. like any church I suppose. I think the "one true" thing sort of exaserbates the concept...

I just don't see that LDS who feel they have been excluded from this or that on religious grounds have much of leg to stand on.

I dunno what the Catholics would say about your bishopric, my own church doesn't have bishops. We believe all believers men and women have the priesthood of Christ, though.  But.. I'd be happy to let you teach my Sunday School class. The class is for our orchestra, so it's a little abreviated.. to allow for a short rehersal and warmups.  Only contingent being that you bring your own instrument and sit in with us.

Respectfully,

Mudcat

[altersteve]

theplains, on 06 June 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

He did teach that. If you don't believe me, you can confirm it with your ward's bishop.  If he is not sure about the source
material, let me know and I will provide some.

I'm aware of the sources where Joseph appears to have taught (according to some interpretations) that God was once exactly like us. I just don't think that's what he meant.

I don't bother my bishop with things like this anyway.

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I noticed from the email that I received when you replied to my post that you originally asked, "If so, then what's so crazy
about man becoming God?"

Why did you change becoming God to becoming divine? Is this due to some theological difference?

I just thought it would have been more accurate to say "divine" rather than "God."

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It is not a crazy idea that a man and woman from another planet became the Heavenly Father and Mother of our
planet. I just don't believe this

Me neither. God is the God of everything, not just "our planet." I don't believe He is a man "from another planet," only that He lived somewhere as a mortal, like Jesus Christ did. This, in my opinion, is what Joseph Smith taught.

Edited by altersteve, 09 June 2012 - 06:44 PM.

[Aliwe]

CQUIRK, on 03 June 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Has Jesus apologized to the saducees and pharisees for the things he said about them?

No, but in the throes of the painful execution they finagled for him from the Romans, Jesus forgave them.  Go thou and do likewise.