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[Libs]

I think Harry Reid supports SS marriage, does he not?  Also abortion rights, even though he is, personally, pro-life.   And, he is a member in good standing?

[rpn]

Sen. Reid said he'd vote for a SSM initiative in his own state.  That seems like pretty limited support to me.   And the Church really doesn't tell us how to vote, nor comment on how we personally interpret and apply the scriptures to legislation.

Edited by rpn, 26 May 2012 - 02:38 PM.

[Buzzard]

Libs, on 26 May 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

I think Harry Reid supports SS marriage, does he not?  Also abortion rights, even though he is, personally, pro-life.   And, he is a member in good standing?

There's not much I agree with politically with Brother Reid. And it brought forth a chuckle a few years back when he said that he did not see how one could be a Republican and faithful LDS at the same time.
But back in Searchlight, Nev, many moons ago, he was Bishop Reid. And I have heard apocryphal stories of him and Brother Hatch sharing a hymnbook in one of the Washington wards. So I think that like most of us, to the best of his imperfect ability, Harry Reid is trying to live the gospel, at least as he understands it.

[Judd]

Buzzard, on 26 May 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

There's not much I agree with politically with Brother Reid. And it brought forth a chuckle a few years back when he said that he did not see how one could be a Republican and faithful LDS at the same time.
But back in Searchlight, Nev, many moons ago, he was Bishop Reid. And I have heard apocryphal stories of him and Brother Hatch sharing a hymnbook in one of the Washington wards. So I think that like most of us, to the best of his imperfect ability, Harry Reid is trying to live the gospel, at least as he understands it.

Forget hymnbook sharing, if Romney is elected, would they be able to attend the temple together in the same session? Would you be able to throw Glenn Beck into the mix, as well? Perhaps the DC temple could host an Uncle Sam night, including all eligible senators and congressmen/women.

Edited by Judd, 27 May 2012 - 12:09 AM.

[Deborah]

"Saints and Soldiers" tells the story of two men on opposite sides in the war were nevertheless brothers when it comes to faith.

I saw a BYU devotional with Harry Reid, and no matter how much you may disagree with him, he sincerely believes he is following Christ by his liberal philosophy.

[Sevenbak]

In our Regional Conference last year, Elder Packer told us that it would get harder for us to endure than it was for the early pioneers who faced extremes like Sweet Water and Hole in the Rock.

Those times are a coming...

[Libs]

Buzzard, on 26 May 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

There's not much I agree with politically with Brother Reid. And it brought forth a chuckle a few years back when he said that he did not see how one could be a Republican and faithful LDS at the same time.
But back in Searchlight, Nev, many moons ago, he was Bishop Reid. And I have heard apocryphal stories of him and Brother Hatch sharing a hymnbook in one of the Washington wards. So I think that like most of us, to the best of his imperfect ability, Harry Reid is trying to live the gospel, at least as he understands it.

Yes, I agree.   I believe he is living his faith...and since I agree with his philosophy, I would not even say "imperfectly".  But, then, none of us live our faith perfectly, that's for sure.

[Buzzard]

Judd, on 27 May 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Forget hymnbook sharing, if Romney is elected, would they be able to attend the temple together in the same session? Would you be able to throw Glenn Beck into the mix, as well? Perhaps the DC temple could host an Uncle Sam night, including all eligible senators and congressmen/women.

Sounds like a good idea to me. And while the assembled hordes of journalists and paparazzi cooled their heels outside, the R.S. sisters could serve red punch and mint brownies, while the missionaries offered free BOM copies.

[selek1]

The Nehor, on 25 May 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

"Some say, 'I do not like to do this [build temples], for we never began to build a temple without the bells of hell beginning to ring.' I want to hear them ring again. All the tribes of hell will be on the move, if we uncover the walls of this temple. But what do you think it will amount to? You have all the time seen what it has amounted to." -Brigham Young

Bravo Zulu.

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Same principle. Or, more succinctly, the words of the theatrical Theoden of Rohan after hearing the size of the army coming to attack: "Let them come."

Since we're also quoting characters from literature, let me echo Captain Picard: "If we're to be damned, let's be damned for who we really are."

The alleged drum beat is not (IMO) going to be effective if shaking the faith of the Saints.  There is nothing they can invent that hasn't been tried at least once already.

No- the faithful are not the target of the coming smear campaign.  The ignorant (willful and otherwise) are.

The campaign will be designed and executed to inflame the passions and the bigotry of those who do not know the Latter-day Saints.

The only cure for that is to be who and what we really are.

[DH]

I have no doubt that there will be increased scrutiny of the Church due to Mitt Romney's candidacy. However, it seems hyperbolic to claim that "all hell will break loose" and the wrath of Satan will be unleashed. Honestly, I don't think most people even think about Mormonism very often, and most won't care about Romney's religion. Of course the antis will crawl out of the woodwork and make noise. Of course the media will be interested. And of course some of the EVs will make a fuss about a "non-Christian" Mormon trying to take the reins of this "Christian nation" of ours. There will be awkwardness, but I don't think there's reason to hyperventilate about hell and Satan and all that.

[CQUIRK]

Either or, I may be a Ron Paul supporter, but it's inevitable now that Romney is going to become the nominee for the Republican Party, so regardless of speculation, the church is going to be put under the spotlight before, and probably after the election and we all need to prepare ourselves for it.

[BCSpace]

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However, it seems hyperbolic to claim that "all hell will break loose" and the wrath of Satan will be unleashed.

I think such will likely be rather restained actually as most people realize the hypocrisy of such and recall the freedom of religion we have in this country.

[Judd]

CQUIRK, on 28 May 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Either or, I may be a Ron Paul supporter, but it's inevitable now that Romney is going to become the nominee for the Republican Party, so regardless of speculation, the church is going to be put under the spotlight before, and probably after the election and we all need to prepare ourselves for it.

If you're conceding that Romney will be the nominee then obviously you're not really a Ron Paul supporter.

[Stargazer]

Judd, on 28 May 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

If you're conceding that Romney will be the nominee then obviously you're not really a Ron Paul supporter.

Oh, you're a scream.

Actually, to a certain extent you are correct.  I know a few of them who are still convinced Ron will get the nomination despite all the evidence to the contrary.

[cdowis]

Deborah, on 27 May 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

"Saints and Soldiers" tells the story of two men on opposite sides in the war were nevertheless brothers when it comes to faith.

I saw a BYU devotional with Harry Reid, and no matter how much you may disagree with him, he sincerely believes he is following Christ by his liberal philosophy.

Reid is increasingly finding his party on the opposite side of the official position of the church.  He can attempt to be silent and stand neutral for some of the most egregious policies, but as a leader of his party he will be looked upon for active leadership on these issues as they become more prominent in public discourse.

He understands perfectly who voted for him.

[Judd]

If Reid were running for president, would we expect more, less, or the same amount of focus on the church?

[DH]

cdowis, on 28 May 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

Reid is increasingly finding his party on the opposite side of the official position of the church.

The only official Church position I can think of that the Democratic Party does not agree with is same-sex marriage. I think the positions of both the Church and the Democratic Party on this matter have been clear for some time, so I don't see how Reid could be "increasingly finding his party on the opposite side," seeing as how it's old news. It's just been brought to the forefront again by President Obama's public support for SSM, and perhaps because of public opinion polls showing increasing public support for SSM.

Edited by DH, 28 May 2012 - 10:50 PM.

[Stargazer]

Judd, on 28 May 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

If Reid were running for president, would we expect more, less, or the same amount of focus on the church?

Definitely less.

Too bad Mitt and Harry are not running against each other.  Now THAT would be interesting.  Maybe next time.

[Libs]

Judd, on 28 May 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

If Reid were running for president, would we expect more, less, or the same amount of focus on the church?

Same amount...perhaps even more from the GOP side, as they wouldn't feel constrained to support him.  I think Evangelicals, in particular, would be even more open about their negative beliefs, regarding the church.

[Avatar4321]

It's already starting. Political message boards are already starting to discuss the "Mormon" issue.