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#1 smac97

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:54 AM

Weird:


Hawai'i Warriors coach Norm Chow will allow defensive back Michael Wadsworth to transfer to any school except the BYU Cougars, the Salt Lake Tribune's Jay Drew reports. This is especially noteworthy since Wadsworth, originally from Utah, is a member of the Church of Latter Day Saints, the organization by which Brigham Young is owned and operated.

Wadsworth doesn't even have a scholarship offer to transfer to BYU at the moment.

More from Drew's lengthy report on why Hawai'i has singled out BYU, which it's been set to do since even before Chow took over:

"The way coach Chow explained it, he believes BYU has an unfair recruiting advantage for missionaries," John Wadsworth said. "I don't know his motives. The thing he expressed to me is that he felt like [BYU] has an advantage with returning missionaries and he referenced the Riley Nelson Rule."


After Utah State apparently complained to the NCAA when quarterback Riley Nelson transferred from USU to BYU after his church mission, the NCAA enacted a rule that restricts missionaries who want to change schools.



Coaches have the power to block departing players to transfer to other schools, but are not subject to the same rules themselves. Earlier this year, Chow left the Utah Utes to take the Warriors head coaching job.

Wadsworth recorded a number of special teams tackles in 2009, but has spent the last two years on his church-mandated mission. His family denies BYU coaches contacted him about transferring during his time away. He has three years worth of football eligibility left. Coming out of high school, he was recruited by Arizona, BYU and Utah, but his best offers came from Arizona State and Hawai'i.

I don't follow football much, but this seems odd.

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Edited by smac97, 25 April 2012 - 07:55 AM.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:56 AM

Sounds like a good old-fashioned temper tantrum.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:16 AM

Unfortuately for Norm, Wadsworth's father founded Tahitian Noni, so has more money than the entire U of H athletic program. So Elder Wadsworth will walk on at BYU and play without a scholarship.
FWIW, he's still on his mission. The whole drama is being played out between his dad, Norm, and BYU while he is knocking on doors full time in the rain uphill both ways.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:43 AM

Taihitian Noni? Let's pray he doesn't bring any of that MLM stuff to campus.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:05 AM

Taihitian Noni? Let's pray he doesn't bring any of that MLM stuff to campus.

Well, yeah. That goes without saying.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:24 AM

Isn't MLM and LDS synonymous?
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:19 AM

So the 'blocking' only applies to scholarships and not to actual playing?
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:20 AM

Isn't MLM and LDS synonymous?

Not in my book. IMHO, I don't know how someone who is upper management can answer the "honest in your dealings with your fellow men" TR question in the affirmative while looking his/her bishop in the eye.
Unfortunately, MLM's and Utah DO seem to be synonymous at the present time.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

Isn't MLM and LDS synonymous?

Not as long as I have breath or standing to weigh in on the matter.

Edited by Scott Lloyd, 25 April 2012 - 12:00 PM.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:21 PM

I have known John Wadsworth and several of his brothers for years. John is without doubt one of the finest, most honest individuals in the Church. He and his wife have 11 children and a growing number of grandchildren. He has served faithfully in Bishoprics, Stake Presidencies and as a Mission President. His personal history is compelling and includes great personal hardship--including the death of both parents when he was very young. Since his mother was President Hinckley's younger sister, the Hinckley's stepped in (along with other family members) to help the older siblings keep the family together. There is much--very much--to admire and appreciate about this exceptional family.

As far as I know, there is absolutely nothing about his business or personal life that would prevent him from worthily entering the House of the Lord. It seems unfair and inappropriate to call upon negative MLM stereoptypes in order to pass judgement here.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:41 PM

I have known John Wadsworth and several of his brothers for years. John is without doubt one of the finest, most honest individuals in the Church. He and his wife have 11 children and a growing number of grandchildren. He has served faithfully in Bishoprics, Stake Presidencies and as a Mission President. His personal history is compelling and includes great personal hardship--including the death of both parents when he was very young. Since his mother was President Hinckley's younger sister, the Hinckley's stepped in (along with other family members) to help the older siblings keep the family together. There is much--very much--to admire and appreciate about this exceptional family.

As far as I know, there is absolutely nothing about his business or personal life that would prevent him from worthily entering the House of the Lord. It seems unfair and inappropriate to call upon negative MLM stereoptypes in order to pass judgement here.

My statement applies to those who start MLM's. My Bishop is a great man and has worked for NuSkin for years. So I am not saying that anyone who works for a MLM company is unworthy. If that was so, the Provo and Timp temples would be a lot less busy.
But I stand by my characterization of MLM's as a fraudulent business model. They enrich a few to the detriment of many. They are the least efficient way to distribute a product, requiring a markup far above what you would see in a retail setting due to the many layers of commission that must be paid. The fact that they thrive in Utah is a blight on the name of our great state, and to a degree, on the culture that perpetrates their continued success. I don't want to come across as harsh, but those are my honest feelings.
And no, I have never worked for an MLM. I have been recruited by friends and neighbors and taken a good look at the structure, pricing, and marketing tactics of MLMs. The more I learn, the less I like.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:46 PM

I sat through a three MLM pitches, but, in the end, after a preliminary estimate, I realized I didn't have enough friends and family members to take advantage of... err, I mean, to interest in products and opportunities, to make any effort in an MLM worthwhile.

It is an interesting sensation, greed.

Edited by Log, 25 April 2012 - 01:50 PM.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:58 PM

My statement applies to those who start MLM's. My Bishop is a great man and has worked for NuSkin for years. So I am not saying that anyone who works for a MLM company is unworthy. If that was so, the Provo and Timp temples would be a lot less busy.
But I stand by my characterization of MLM's as a fraudulent business model. They enrich a few to the detriment of many. They are the least efficient way to distribute a product, requiring a markup far above what you would see in a retail setting due to the many layers of commission that must be paid. The fact that they thrive in Utah is a blight on the name of our great state, and to a degree, on the culture that perpetrates their continued success. I don't want to come across as harsh, but those are my honest feelings.
And no, I have never worked for an MLM. I have been recruited by friends and neighbors and taken a good look at the structure, pricing, and marketing tactics of MLMs. The more I learn, the less I like.

Here's a tutorial on what's wrong with MLM.

I don't think anyone here is passing judgment on any individual. But even good and decent people can get tied up in unwise business ventures. Joseph Smith, for example, was into treasure seeking in his youth.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:00 PM

Weird:
. . . but has spent the last two years on his church-mandated mission.

Mandated?
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:01 PM

I don't do MLMs but one should not castigate them as immoral business models unless they purvey immorality, which NuSkin and Wadsworth don't, or one believes that government should dictate what is moral and not in a business model.

Seems if people are free to spend money on state lotteries or Indian casinos, they ought to be free to get involved in get rich quick schemes.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:04 PM

Unfortunately, MLM's and Utah DO seem to be synonymous at the present time.

It's interesting to watch the MLM conventions when they come to the Salt Palace in Salt Lake. The vast majority of the attendees seem to be Asians. I read a theory the other day that might explain it. The top-of-the-pyramid people have run out of "down-line" recruits locally (people here have gotten wise to the flawed approach) so they are obliged to expand internationally to keep the commissions rolling in.

Add on:

Here's the on-line article to which I am referring.

Edited by Scott Lloyd, 25 April 2012 - 02:10 PM.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:56 PM

But I stand by my characterization of MLM's as a fraudulent business model. They enrich a few to the detriment of many. They are the least efficient way to distribute a product, requiring a markup far above what you would see in a retail setting due to the many layers of commission that must be paid.

Should we declare immoral in the church, or unlawful in the government, a business which enriches a few and has a markup far above retail? What happened to free agency?

These businesses provide psychic returns above and beyond the mere products they sell, and for that reason they work and attract workers and investors. You've got internet startups with no business to speak of, no cash, and nothing but an idea. Investors bet on the come, liking what they see.

I'd never be caught dead in an MLM scheme, but I also get involved in investment decisions which would cause others to scratch their heads and say, "why did he do that?"

In the Church, we should have no business judging people involved in these MLM schemes, for the agency and freedom is theirs, not yours. To the extent the government extends its paternalistic mitts to declare illegal, well, my libertarian nature has a real problem with that as well.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:21 PM

Should we declare immoral in the church, or unlawful in the government, a business which enriches a few and has a markup far above retail? What happened to free agency?

These businesses provide psychic returns above and beyond the mere products they sell, and for that reason they work and attract workers and investors. You've got internet startups with no business to speak of, no cash, and nothing but an idea. Investors bet on the come, liking what they see.

I'd never be caught dead in an MLM scheme, but I also get involved in investment decisions which would cause others to scratch their heads and say, "why did he do that?"

In the Church, we should have no business judging people involved in these MLM schemes, for the agency and freedom is theirs, not yours. To the extent the government extends its paternalistic mitts to declare illegal, well, my libertarian nature has a real problem with that as well.

I'm confused here, Bob. Has anyone here advocated a government crackdown on MLMs? Seems you might be getting prematurely worked up.
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To whom it may concern: If you feel inclined to do anything for or in behalf of me after I die -- or even while I'm living, for that matter -- that is comparable in intent to Mormon vicarious baptisms or other ordinances for the dead, feel free. I would even regard it as a magnanimous gesture. I would appreciate the thought in any case.
Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
If I detest anything as virulently as anti-Mormons obviously detest Mormonism, feel free to label me as "anti-" the thing I detest. I won't mind in the least.
An author who undertakes to criticize publicly another's religious faith and practice has the obligation, in the first instance, to understand it.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:25 PM

What does MLM have to do with the OP?
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 03:28 PM

What does MLM have to do with the OP?

Not that it matters to me, but the subject of the OP is reportedly the son of an MLM magnate.
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To whom it may concern: If you feel inclined to do anything for or in behalf of me after I die -- or even while I'm living, for that matter -- that is comparable in intent to Mormon vicarious baptisms or other ordinances for the dead, feel free. I would even regard it as a magnanimous gesture. I would appreciate the thought in any case.
Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
If I detest anything as virulently as anti-Mormons obviously detest Mormonism, feel free to label me as "anti-" the thing I detest. I won't mind in the least.
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... and the anti-Mormon saith unto them: I am no anti-Mormon, for there is none — and thus he whispereth in their ears.


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