Did The Catholic Apologist Get It Right...
#1
Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:00 AM
... I love that man better who swears a stream as long as my arm, and administering to the poor and dividing his substance, than the long smooth faced hypocrites. I don't want you to think I am very righteous, for I am not very righteous. God judgeth men according to the light he gives them.
Words of Joseph Smith, p.204 (18 May 1843)
#2
Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:08 AM
“When from Thy stern tutoring, I would quickly flee, turn me from my Tarshish to where is best for me. Help me in my Nineveh to serve with love and truth; not on a hillside posted, mid shade of gourd or booth. When my modest suffering seems so vexing, wrong, and sore, may I recall what freely flowed from each and every pore. Dear Lord of the Abba Cry, Help me in my duress to endure it well enough and to say, . . . 'Nevertheless.'” - Neal A. Maxwell
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#4
Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:47 AM
If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose my beliefs are true ... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. - J. B. S. Haldane
#5
Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:58 AM
Edited by thesometimesaint, 03 April 2012 - 07:59 AM.
#6
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:15 AM
But then again, the Hebrews were polytheistic....
JMS
#7
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:25 AM
I also find it funny when Catholics comment about our leadership downplaying any theology as if they have never been guilty of it. Beyond the Vatican II, I'd also point to dead unbaptized babies going to limbo, which was a very well known and prominent theology they distanced themselves from in recent years.
*Shrug*
JMS
#8
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:28 AM
jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:
But then again, the Hebrews were polytheistic....
JMS
If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose my beliefs are true ... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. - J. B. S. Haldane
#9
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:36 AM
JMS
#10
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:39 AM
In Honor of Anijen, the 2012 MD&D March Madness Champion "There once was a Pharisee named Saul, Who persecuted Christians with gall. Then God struck him blind And opened his mind, So he could recognize his true call."
#11
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:39 AM
jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:
JMS
If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose my beliefs are true ... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. - J. B. S. Haldane
#12
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:42 AM
jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:
Limbo has never been dogma but was more of a popular theory once upon a time.
In Honor of Anijen, the 2012 MD&D March Madness Champion "There once was a Pharisee named Saul, Who persecuted Christians with gall. Then God struck him blind And opened his mind, So he could recognize his true call."
#13
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:43 AM
Log, on 03 April 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:
It's a no, this is common knowledge, if you want to read it, go Google it. There is a copy of the entire text on Wikipedia.
Why are you so afraid of this doctrine? Would this doctrine cause you to dislike the Church?
#14
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:46 AM
#15
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:48 AM
jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:
But then again, the Hebrews were polytheistic....
JMS
CFR.
If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose my beliefs are true ... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. - J. B. S. Haldane
#16
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:48 AM
#17
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:50 AM
Log, on 03 April 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:
CFR.
No thanks. I know your playing games, and I am not interested. Either that or you live under a rock.
I think Moderators need to deal with people who abuse CFR as a method of annoying participants.
JMS
#18
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:51 AM
jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:
No thanks. I know your playing games, and I am not interested. Either that or you live under a rock.
I think Moderators need to deal with people who abuse CFR as a method of annoying participants.
JMS
http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htm
Cite the sections that teach what you claim the KFD teaches:
1. God [The Father] had a Father.
2. God had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe.
3. If we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege [of running this universe].
CFR.
Edited by Log, 03 April 2012 - 08:57 AM.
If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose my beliefs are true ... and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. - J. B. S. Haldane
#19
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:51 AM
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I wish I had the trump of an archangel; I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever. What did Jesus say? (Mark it, elder Rigdon!) Jesus said, "As the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power." To do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious--in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom, all the combined powers of earth and hell together, to refute it.
Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true God. And you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves--to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done--by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power.
-Stephen Covey
#20
Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:53 AM
jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:
This still doesn't make it dogmaticFrom Wikipedia
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This article is about the theological concept. For other uses of the term, see Limbo (disambiguation).
In the theology of the Catholic Church, Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell) is a speculative idea about the afterlife condition of those who die in Original Sin without being assigned to the Hell of the Damned. Limbo is not an official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church or any other Christian denomination. Medieval theologians, in western Europe, described the underworld ("hell", "hades", "infernum") as divided into four distinct parts: Hell of the Damned (which some call Gehenna), Purgatory, Limbo of the Fathers or Patriarchs, and Limbo of the Infants.
In Honor of Anijen, the 2012 MD&D March Madness Champion "There once was a Pharisee named Saul, Who persecuted Christians with gall. Then God struck him blind And opened his mind, So he could recognize his true call."
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