why me Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 http://www.catholic.com/video/do-mormons-believe-in-many-godsDid he get it right or was he off base?
Storm Rider Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 No, he is off base. Really just a regurgitation of typical sensationism of anti-Mormon literature at first. Then he gets better by introducing the contradiction that is seen in the attempt to define what Exaltation is for eternity.
CV75 Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 http://www.catholic....ve-in-many-godsDid he get it right or was he off base?I think he should be consistent in the use of his toupe.
thesometimesaint Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) No. They are so off based that it isn't even funny. There is nothing in LDS Theology that has us being a God of another planet or universe. We do not use any Hindu text as substantiation for our beliefs. We use the Bible, other LDS specific Sacred Text, and modern day Prophets of God for our beliefs. Edited April 3, 2012 by thesometimesaint
jskains Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Yes, the theory is that God was once a man, He had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe, and if we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege. It's part of the King Follete Discourse, it is part of the teachings of eternal progression.But then again, the Hebrews were polytheistic....JMS
jskains Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Personally I think he is correct about the theology and I think it is sad we downplay some of the unique views. I think we are spending too much time demanding to be accepted rather than be particular.I also find it funny when Catholics comment about our leadership downplaying any theology as if they have never been guilty of it. Beyond the Vatican II, I'd also point to dead unbaptized babies going to limbo, which was a very well known and prominent theology they distanced themselves from in recent years.*Shrug*JMS
Log Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Yes, the theory is that God was once a man, He had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe, and if we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege. It's part of the King Follete Discourse, it is part of the teachings of eternal progression.But then again, the Hebrews were polytheistic....JMSHmm. I missed that part of the KFD. Can you cite that material verbatim?
jskains Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Really? You missed the whole great mystery revealed if the veil were lifted and we found God was a Man just like us? It's pretty well known.JMS
blueadept Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Since he tried to describe Henotheism which is a closer understanding of what LDS believe, I give him a reasonable grade in his attempt at the question since he is obviously not a LDS apologist but he didn't make you sound like a cult either. If it was me, I would have probably left off the portion of being gods of your own planet(s) as well as the polytheistic parts, but I would have mentioned about everything else.
Log Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Really? You missed the whole great mystery revealed if the veil were lifted and we found God was a Man just like us? It's pretty well known.JMSIs that a "No, I cannot cite the requested material verbatim"?
blueadept Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I also find it funny when Catholics comment about our leadership downplaying any theology as if they have never been guilty of it. Beyond the Vatican II, I'd also point to dead unbaptized babies going to limbo, which was a very well known and prominent theology they distanced themselves from in recent years. Limbo has never been dogma but was more of a popular theory once upon a time.
jskains Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Is that a "No, I cannot cite the requested material verbatim"?It's a no, this is common knowledge, if you want to read it, go Google it. There is a copy of the entire text on Wikipedia.Why are you so afraid of this doctrine? Would this doctrine cause you to dislike the Church?
Log Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Yes, the theory is that God was once a man, He had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe, and if we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege. It's part of the King Follete Discourse, it is part of the teachings of eternal progression.But then again, the Hebrews were polytheistic....JMSCFR.
thesometimesaint Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Theosis is not a concept original to the KFD, and for that matter niether is the pluality of gods unique to the Hebrews, but is also found in early Christian Theology
jskains Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 CFR.No thanks. I know your playing games, and I am not interested. Either that or you live under a rock.I think Moderators need to deal with people who abuse CFR as a method of annoying participants.JMS
Log Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) No thanks. I know your playing games, and I am not interested. Either that or you live under a rock.I think Moderators need to deal with people who abuse CFR as a method of annoying participants.JMSI'm going to make it REAL easy for you.http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htmCite the sections that teach what you claim the KFD teaches:1. God [The Father] had a Father.2. God had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe.3. If we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege [of running this universe].CFR. Edited April 3, 2012 by Log
Analytics Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. [That he was not is an idea] incomprehensible to some. But it is the simple and first principle of the gospel-to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another. God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible.I wish I had the trump of an archangel; I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever. What did Jesus say? (Mark it, elder Rigdon!) Jesus said, "As the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power." To do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious--in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom, all the combined powers of earth and hell together, to refute it.Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true God. And you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves--to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done--by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power.
blueadept Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 http://www.newadvent...then/09256a.htmThis still doesn't make it dogmaticFrom WikipediaFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search This article is about the theological concept. For other uses of the term, see Limbo (disambiguation).In the theology of the Catholic Church, Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell) is a speculative idea about the afterlife condition of those who die in Original Sin without being assigned to the Hell of the Damned. Limbo is not an official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church or any other Christian denomination. Medieval theologians, in western Europe, described the underworld ("hell", "hades", "infernum") as divided into four distinct parts: Hell of the Damned (which some call Gehenna), Purgatory, Limbo of the Fathers or Patriarchs, and Limbo of the Infants.
jskains Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I'm going to make it REAL easy for you.http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htmCite the sections that teach what you claim the KFD teaches.CFR.I am going to make it really easy for you.No.JMS
Log Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I am going to make it really easy for you.No.JMSBecause you know it isn't there. With friends like that, the Church needs no enemies to misrepresent its doctrine. 1
jskains Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 Because you know it isn't there. With friends like that, the Church needs no enemies to misrepresent its doctrine.Riiight.. It isn't there. It's the most famous part of the KFD, but it isn't there.And I assume D&C 132:20 doesn't exist either.JMS
Log Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) You can answer the CFR. Here are the specific things you claimed were part of the KFD.1. God [The Father] had a Father.2. God [The Father] had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe.3. If we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege [of running this universe].Here's the KFD: http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htmGo to it. Edited April 3, 2012 by Log
jskains Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 You can answer the CFR. Here are the specific things you claimed were part of the KFD.1. God [The Father] had a Father.2. God [The Father] had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe.3. If we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege [of running this universe].Actually, no I didn't. Matter of fact, if you actually read (reading comprehension is a good skill), I specifically addressed which part the KFD clarifies. All doctrine often comes from reading multiple sources and putting the parts together.Go back and read my post and shut down your ultra defenses.JMS
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