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[why me]

http://www.catholic....ve-in-many-gods

Did he get it right or was he off base?

[Storm Rider]

No, he is off base.  Really just a regurgitation of typical sensationism of anti-Mormon literature at first.  Then he gets better by introducing the contradiction that is seen in the attempt to define what Exaltation is for eternity.

[CV75]

why me, on 03 April 2012 - 12:00 AM, said:

http://www.catholic....ve-in-many-gods

Did he get it right or was he off base?

I think he should be consistent in the use of his toupe.

[Log]

Sorry.  No transcript = TL/DW.

[thesometimesaint]

No. They are so off based that it isn't even funny. There is nothing in LDS Theology that has us being a God of another planet or universe. We do not use any Hindu text as substantiation for our beliefs. We use the Bible, other LDS specific Sacred Text, and modern day Prophets of God for our beliefs.

Edited by thesometimesaint, 03 April 2012 - 07:59 AM.

[jskains]

Yes, the theory is that God was once a man, He had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe, and if we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege. It's part of the King Follete Discourse, it is part of the teachings of eternal progression.

But then again, the Hebrews were polytheistic....

JMS

[jskains]

Personally I think he is correct about the theology and I think it is sad we downplay some of the unique views. I think we are spending too much time demanding to be accepted rather than be particular.

I also find it funny when Catholics comment about our leadership downplaying any theology as if they have never been guilty of it. Beyond the Vatican II, I'd also point to dead unbaptized babies going to limbo, which was a very well known and prominent theology they distanced themselves from in recent years.

*Shrug*

JMS

[Log]

jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Yes, the theory is that God was once a man, He had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe, and if we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege. It's part of the King Follete Discourse, it is part of the teachings of eternal progression.

But then again, the Hebrews were polytheistic....

JMS

Hmm.  I missed that part of the KFD.  Can you cite that material verbatim?

[jskains]

Really? You missed the whole great mystery revealed if the veil were lifted and we found God was a Man just like us? It's pretty well known.

JMS

[blueadept]

Since he tried to describe Henotheism which is a closer understanding of what LDS believe, I give him a reasonable grade in his attempt at the question since he is obviously not a LDS apologist but he didn't make you sound like a cult either.  If it was me, I would have probably left off the portion of being gods of your own planet(s) as well as the polytheistic parts, but I would have mentioned about everything else.

[Log]

jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Really? You missed the whole great mystery revealed if the veil were lifted and we found God was a Man just like us? It's pretty well known.

JMS

Is that a "No, I cannot cite the requested material verbatim"?

[blueadept]

jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

I also find it funny when Catholics comment about our leadership downplaying any theology as if they have never been guilty of it. Beyond the Vatican II, I'd also point to dead unbaptized babies going to limbo, which was a very well known and prominent theology they distanced themselves from in recent years.

Limbo has never been dogma but was more of a popular theory once upon a time.

[jskains]

Log, on 03 April 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

Is that a "No, I cannot cite the requested material verbatim"?

It's a no, this is common knowledge, if you want to read it, go Google it. There is a copy of the entire text on Wikipedia.

Why are you so afraid of this doctrine? Would this doctrine cause you to dislike the Church?

[jskains]

http://www.newadvent...then/09256a.htm

[Log]

jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Yes, the theory is that God was once a man, He had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe, and if we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege. It's part of the King Follete Discourse, it is part of the teachings of eternal progression.

But then again, the Hebrews were polytheistic....

JMS

CFR.

[thesometimesaint]

Theosis is not a concept original to the KFD, and for that matter niether is the pluality of gods unique to the Hebrews, but is also found in early Christian Theology

[jskains]

Log, on 03 April 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

CFR.

No thanks. I know your playing games, and I am not interested. Either that or you live under a rock.

I think Moderators need to deal with people who abuse CFR as a method of annoying participants.

JMS

[Log]

jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

No thanks. I know your playing games, and I am not interested. Either that or you live under a rock.

I think Moderators need to deal with people who abuse CFR as a method of annoying participants.

JMS

I'm going to make it REAL easy for you.
http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htm

Cite the sections that teach what you claim the KFD teaches:

1. God [The Father] had a Father.

2. God had a Father who gave Him the ability to run this universe.

3. If we are perfect, we will be granted that same privilege [of running this universe].

CFR.

Edited by Log, 03 April 2012 - 08:57 AM.

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I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. [That he was not is an idea] incomprehensible to some. But it is the simple and first principle of the gospel-to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another. God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible.

I wish I had the trump of an archangel; I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever. What did Jesus say? (Mark it, elder Rigdon!) Jesus said, "As the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power." To do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious--in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom, all the combined powers of earth and hell together, to refute it.

Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true God. And you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves--to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done--by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power.

[blueadept]

jskains, on 03 April 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

http://www.newadvent...then/09256a.htm

This still doesn't make it dogmatic
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This article is about the theological concept. For other uses of the term, see Limbo (disambiguation).
In the theology of the Catholic Church, Limbo (Latin limbus, edge or boundary, referring to the "edge" of Hell) is a speculative idea about the afterlife condition of those who die in Original Sin without being assigned to the Hell of the Damned. Limbo is not an official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church or any other Christian denomination. Medieval theologians, in western Europe, described the underworld ("hell", "hades", "infernum") as divided into four distinct parts: Hell of the Damned (which some call Gehenna), Purgatory, Limbo of the Fathers or Patriarchs, and Limbo of the Infants.