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[CASteinman]

Yep, on 08 June 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

Upon reading through much of this thread I came to the conclusion that we are definitely not heading towards pharisaism (the over investigation/interpretation of the law.)  I believe that if we were sitting with Christ and the first Twelve and someone suggested something like that Sacrament "must" be given first to the presiding authority there would have been a correction given.  I may be completely off, but I don't feel that most of these are really following the spirit of the gospel as Christ taught it.  Are we heading towards a time when we will only be able to travel the distance from our home to our ward house on the Sabbath?

By way of an example:

My son who was a teacher did not have a white shirt.  We were very tight financially and splurging on another shirt so that he had a white shirt was a luxury we could not afford.  Our Bishop told him he could not help prepare the Sacrament until he had one.  We had not been active for a few years and were just coming back to Church and he had just barely decided that he felt worthy to help.  This made him question his worthiness again.

I am assuming that it was a mistype when you said "we are definitely not heading toward pharisaism".   I think you meant that we actually are heading toward it.  Otherwise your post confuses me.


But I want to let you know something.. this is the Official Doctrine of the LDS Church on the matter of white shirts and the Sacrament.

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Those who bless and pass the sacrament should dress modestly and be well groomed and clean. Clothing or jewelry should not call attention to itself or distract members during the sacrament. Ties and white shirts are recommended because they add to the dignity of the ordinance. However, they should not be required as a mandatory prerequisite for a priesthood holder to participate. Nor should it be required that all be alike in dress and appearance.

Now that is not a license to wear just ANYTHING.  There will be limits.  I don't think you could come in a wifebeater and overalls and expect to pass the Sacrament most of the time.  But you might want to mention this passage of Volume 2 of the Handbook of Instructions to your Bishop.  You might also ask him to help you with a white shirt.

If he doesn't... please contact me.

Edited by CASteinman, 08 June 2012 - 11:05 PM.

[Nominee]

Once in the temple an ordinance worker had her name on upside down. I told her quietly as she took my hand and she smiled, corrected it, and gratefully thanked me. I would hope that I might also have this ability to simply be humble and grateful when receiving any good correction. It usually helps me to be a little better at whatever I am trying to accomplish. Humility is the good stuff.

~ Naomi

[DBMormon]

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Once in the temple an ordinance worker had her name on upside down. I told her quietly as she took my hand and she smiled, corrected it, and gratefully thanked me. I would hope that I might also have this ability to simply be humble and grateful when receiving any good correction. It usually helps me to be a little better at whatever I am trying to accomplish. Humility is the good stuff.

When one is wrong.... absolutely.  But too often we are told to do things that are not part of the church or it's actual Doctrine.  Ijn those cases we need to stand firm against false teachings and practices

[Yep]

CASteinman, on 08 June 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

I am assuming that it was a mistype when you said "we are definitely not heading toward pharisaism".   I think you meant that we actually are heading toward it.  Otherwise your post confuses me.

Ahh, no, it was just a small amount of sarcasm.

[KevinG]

Yep, on 08 June 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

My son who was a teacher did not have a white shirt.  We were very tight financially and splurging on another shirt so that he had a white shirt was a luxury we could not afford.

As a father of rapidly growing boys who has been out of work for a year I have some suggestions that may help you.  It involves some humility and a small shot to the ego if you are not used to asking for help but here are a few suggestions:
- Ask other members for outgrown white shirts that your son can use.
- Ask the Bishop for a voucher for DI or Goodwill or the equivalent in your area.
- Spend 3-5 dollars on a white shirt from the DI or Goodwill

[ksfisher]

KevinG, on 11 June 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

As a father of rapidly growing boys who has been out of work for a year I have some suggestions that may help you.  It involves some humility and a small shot to the ego if you are not used to asking for help but here are a few suggestions:
- Ask other members for outgrown white shirts that your son can use.
- Ask the Bishop for a voucher for DI or Goodwill or the equivalent in your area.
- Spend 3-5 dollars on a white shirt from the DI or Goodwill

Handbook 2 Section 20.4.1 states the following:

"Those who bless and pass the sacrament should dress modestly and be well groomed and clean.  Clothing or jewelry should not call attention to itself or distract members during the sacrament.  Ties and white shirts are recommended because they add to the dignity of the ordinance.  However, they should not be required as a mandatory prerequisite for a priesthood holder to participate."

I personally find poor grooming to be more distracting than the lack of a white shirt.

[Grundelwalken]

reelmormon, on 06 June 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

what is it called when a false teaching or false doctrine makes it's way itno the church and seems to hang around because it sounds right or seems to have always been done that way and yet is false.  I was thinking there was a name for it.

I think the Book of Mormon called it "foolish traditions of the fathers". MW

[Grundelwalken]

bluebell, on 06 June 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

When i was in high school, i remember there being a bit of an uproar in my ward in wyoming because 'someone' (I honestly dont' remember if the directive came from the bishop, the stake, or SLC) declared that women could not give closing prayers in sacrament meeting.

Apparently that teaching didn't stick, because i've been in lots of wards where women give the benediction all the time.  

Oh, it stuck pretty well where I have lived and took a letter from the First Presidency to be removed from those foolish traditions.  MW

[CASteinman]

Grundelwalken, on 11 June 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

I think the Book of Mormon called it "foolish traditions of the fathers". MW

Seems, as I recall, that was what the Lamanites said of the true and good doctrines.

[Scott Lloyd]

CASteinman, on 11 June 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Seems, as I recall, that was what the Lamanites said of the true and good doctrines.

And wasn't it a favorite phrase of the prominent anti-Christs?