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Arraign Women Call For Action
By Bernard Gui
Chief Lamoni News Service
Dateline Salt Lake City
1 September 2015
Prucella Pratt Young-Greevence, President of the dissident Mormon feminist group Arraign Women and great-great-great-great grandaughter of Brigham Young, released a statement yesterday demanding Church leaders allow women to play on all-male ward basketball teams.The statement was timed to coincide with the opening of the annual church basketball season in Hurricane, Utah.
Citing a ground-breaking study by Mormon historian Phil Buggley, Young-Greevence called on Church leaders to acknowledge the role of women in 19th-century manly Mormon sports such as stick pulling, marble shooting, hoop trumbling, and mumblypeg. "It's time for the Brethren to own up to the truth," she exclaimed. Indeed, "Mormon leaders have traditionally limited these activities to men, but the evidence clearly shows several women and girls actually competed with men in these events at a ward picnic in Hurricane in 1887," Buggley wrote. (1)
Historians disagree over the extent of their participation, but Buggley has unearthed several daguerreotypes of what appear to be Mormon pioneer girls holding clearies and pocket knives in the presence of Mormon deacons. "The Church can no longer deny this. The pictures prove women participated in these games," Buggley told this reporter. BYU religion instructor Brashley Foggelstone has contradicted Buggley. "It's obvious the girls were only holding the objects for the boys. Anyway, those might be cat's eyes, not clearies. Real men did not play with cat's eyes." "That's nonsense," Buggley replied.
To honor the memory of their pioneer sisters, Arraign Women plan to surround the Hurricane First Ward chapel with women brandishing sticks, hula hoops (you know...for kids), steelies, and butterknives, and engage in random competitive matches. Some may even dare to challenge each other in the much more masculine game of splits. "Of course, Mormon men no longer play these sports, but they do play basketball, and that's where we are headed. We demand our rights to play along side them. We can get in their faces literally and figuratively. Church basketball will no longer be the domain of Mormon men!" declared Ima B. Pushey, local Hurricane AW events co-ordinator.
Hurricane First Ward Bishop Dorsal Armbend said Arraign Women will be welcomed to the opening game, but they may participate only in their traditional role as cheer leaders. "They will not actually touch a ball or stand inside the lines," he said. "We don't feel it's right to expose them to the rough and tumble style of play our men are accustomed to. Why, just last year [stake] President B. Orson Frugal cancelled the season when a fight broke out between a bishop and two elders quorum presidents. Our sisters are too refined and genteel for that. Besides, they have their own quilting bees in Relief Society and Young Women," Bishop Armbend clarified.
In a news conference, Young-Greevence and Pushey called on AW sisters all over the world to join in solidarity with the demonstration by wearing basketball jerseys to church. Men are invited to wear mauve ties to show their support. Organizers expect crowds of at least six women to show up at the event.
"Let 'em come," challenged Hurricane Sheriff J. Oscar Whiskers . "We'll show them how we Arraign Women here in Hurricane!"
(1) Phil Buggley, "Sisters in Knickers: The Little-Known Involvement of Mormon Women in 19th-Century Male Amusements," p.1435. Moonshine Institute, 2015.
The Nature And Relationship Of God And Creation
I am a convert to the LDS church. I was agnostic in my teenage years and began investigating Mormonism while in college. I was very skeptical of organized religion. When approached by my religious family members, I would tell them,
"Why would God create me, and when I turn out to be defective or insufficient, He punishes me for not being good enough? It is nonsense for God to punish me for being who and what God created me to be."
Unfortunately, those who I said this to had no good answers for this logical response. I will explain in more detail why this argument was so convincing, but in the mean time, I wanted to enter the discussion by referring to an old article in the Harvard Theological review, which I am sure that many of you all will appreciate.
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THE LOGIC OF BIBLICAL ANTHROPOMORPHISM
In the Harvard Theological Review (Vol. 55, 1962)
This was followed up by another article, also written by Cherbonnier:
In Defense of Anthropomorphismhttp://rsc.byu.edu/archived/reflections-mormonism-judaeo-christian-parallels/9-defense-anthropomorphism
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This is not just about Anthropomorphism. It is about the nature of God. It is about the nature of existence, the nature of the Universe / Multiverse. It is about the nature of man and our relationship with God.
Was Lehi Led Away By An Angel Of Darkness?
I have some questions from a podcast I listened to earlier today.
When Lehi recounts his vision of the tree of life he describes how a man in a white robe asks him to follow. He does and then realizes he's in darkness and then prays to be rescued. Is this an example of a prophet being fooled by an angel of darkness?
1 Nephi 8
5 And it came to pass that I saw a aman, and he was dressed in a white brobe; and he came and stood before me.
6 And it came to pass that he spake unto me, and bade me follow him.
7 And it came to pass that as I followed him I beheld myself that I was in a dark and dreary waste.
8 And after I had traveled for the space of many hours in darkness, I began to pray unto the Lord that he would have amercy on me, according to the multitude of his tender mercies.
Joseph Smith taught the test for ensuring that an angel is from God as opposed to Satan. Lehi's vision doesn't say if this test was followed but we know that it's possible for angel's of darkness to mimic angels of light, and in Lehi's case he was led into darkness.
1 There are two kinds of beings in aheaven, namely: bAngels, who are cresurrected personages, having dbodies of flesh and bones—
2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not aflesh and bones, as ye see me have.
3 Secondly: the aspirits of bjust men made cperfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.
4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.
5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.
6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—
7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the aorder of heaven for a just man to bdeceive; but he will still deliver his message.
8 If it be the adevil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not bfeel anything; you may therefore detect him.
9 These are three grand akeys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.
It is also unclear whether or not Joseph followed this counsel for determining the angel's source, when the angel with a flaming sword threatened to destroy him if he did not embrace polygamy more enthusiastically. Perhaps this is another example of a prophet being misled by an angel of darkness.
The Lady Of The Temple: Examining The Divine Feminine In The Judeo-Christian Tradition (Conference)
Great line-up for what promises to be a fascinating conference at Utah State on October 23! Full details here.
If anyone is able to make it, pleasepleaseprettyplease take videos or audio or something to put online for those of us who won't be able to attend. Thenkyew.