cdowis Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 (edited) They have a "Jesus Survey (Mormon)" to see how Christian you are. Most Mormons get only three of the ten questions right.You can use this as a tool to show your Mormon friends etcI find it interesting to compare this to the "I'm a Mormon" orientation meeting in our ward. We were given no "answers" to questions that others may ask us, we did not talk about doctrinal issue, but only to invite others to look at the stories on the web site. Mostly we were advised to be prepared to have people approach us with questions. Edited October 12, 2011 by cdowis
Calm Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 (edited) Read the talks planned. At times it appears they are talking more about what is wrong with the LDS faith than what is right about theirs. That is a huge difference in how LDS approach missionary work (think of it as comparing minutes speaking about what is wrong with the other to minutes preaching the Gospel). We may say a few things like loss of priesthood authority and the wrongness of creeds, but it tends to be very short and primarily used as a setup to explain the need for a restoration. If this was all they were doing, I would welcome them with open arms. Instead I believe the first talk is Aaron S. and his favourite theme, the Mormon god might have been a drag queen...LDS don't really believe in a sinless God...pretty much the same the rest of the program....I wouldn't even mind it if they were accurate in their presentation of our beliefs because then they be doing our missionary work for us, but if what is on their websites is what they are teaching....not the truth. Edited October 12, 2011 by calmoriah
california boy Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 No. The fact that anti-Mormonism is also a revenue generating activity is just icing on the cow patty cake.I don't equate someone giving a fireside on their conversion to their chosen religion to a conference on how to convert someone away from their chosen religion. I have taught many lessons that included my conversion story. I just never felt the need to "save someone from the Methodists".Unless the fireside had breakout sessions on "the dangers of Catholicism" or how the "Catholic notion of God is false therefore Catholics aren't really saved" then this comparison is insulting and inaccurate.I've also never wasted time trolling Evangelical web sites to build a case against the Baptists. My faith and the message I have to share is strong enough to stand on its own merits without being officially opposed to someone else's beliefs. That there are differences in beliefs of those I share with is given - but I don't hang out with ex-Methodists and trash their beliefs in the name of compassion. (I hang out with current Methodists, honor them and call them my family).Thanks for helping me understand some of your objections better. Perhaps you are more familiar with this group than I am. Frankly, I have never heard of this group before. So when you start listing what the breakout sessions are, I will have to take you at your word. The site linked has no session topics listed. They did however have this listed. What issues have prevented the LDS Church from acceptance into the Christian fold.Who is Joseph Smith? Did he meet the biblical requirements of a true prophet of God?Did Christianity really succumb to a "complete Apostasy"?Are our Bibles "translated correctly"?Is the God of Mormonism the God of biblical Christianity?Why is the Book of Mormon so special to Mormons. Did it originate from an ancient text?Is the gospel of Mormonism really Good News? What must Mormons do if they hope to receive the best their religion has to offer?How should we respond to biblical "proof-texts" that Mormons often use to justify what they believe?While their take on these questions are probably different than the LDS conclusions, I have certainly heard many of these topics discussed in church meetings and conference talks. Now whether they are accurate in their answers is another thing. Perhaps that is the reason the person you mentioned "trolls" this site. Usually when one religion is expounding on the beliefs of another religion, they get it wrong. The church views itself neither protestant or catholic. Mormons claim to be the restored gospel. It is understandable why evangelics want to make very clear their differences in teachings they have with Mormons. Mormons also constantly talk about the differences it has with other christian churches. So nothing different here. You are right, we don't target specific christian churches. That is because their belief in the trinity etc is a common belief among all evangelics regardless of denomination. We clearly do not worship the same Christ they do. Mormons believe they understand who Christ is. We teach against the evangelic view of Christ. It is our unique belief in the Godhead against their commonly held belief in the Trinity. Isn't the role of each member (every member a missionary) to save those that are in darkness and bring them to the light of Christ? Do you not see how evangelic christians feel that you are indeed trying to save them from Methodism? if a missionary tracks into a Methodist, does he say oh no problem, you are already saved? Or does he try to convert them to the church of Jesus Christ.I don't want you to take this post as some kind of attack or a defense for what the seminar is about. I just want you to understand that Mormons are doing pretty much the same thing. They just do it in a different way. Maybe a more sensitive way, but never the less, they are trying to save the worlds christians from the teachings of men. Our missionaries are sent to christian nations for the sole purpose of converting evangelics to the gospel of Christ.
cdowis Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 I don't want you to take this post as some kind of attack or a defense for what the seminar is about. I just want you to understand that Mormons are doing pretty much the same thing. They just do it in a different way. Maybe a more sensitive way, but never the less, they are trying to save the worlds christians from the teachings of men. Our missionaries are sent to christian nations for the sole purpose of converting evangelics to the gospel of Christ.If you think missionary work to sit "convert" anyone, you do not understand it at all. We do not compare their religion with ours, we teach them what we believe to be the truth, give them tools to find out for themselves ..... the conversion process is between themselves and the Lord.Missionaries do not convert anyone, and that is what makes the crucial difference. 1
california boy Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 If you think missionary work to sit "convert" anyone, you do not understand it at all. We do not compare their religion with ours, we teach them what we believe to be the truth, give them tools to find out for themselves ..... the conversion process is between themselves and the Lord.Missionaries do not convert anyone, and that is what makes the crucial difference. If you think missionary work to sit "convert" anyone, you do not understand it at all. We do not compare their religion with ours, we teach them what we believe to be the truth, give them tools to find out for themselves ..... the conversion process is between themselves and the Lord. Missionaries do not convert anyone, and that is what makes the crucial difference. I would agree with your statement. But quite frankly you are splitting hairs. Prospective members are taught what the church believes and the Spirit witnesses that truth to them. Missionaries guide those they teach through the scriptures that support the churches dogma. If it was simply the Spirit that converts, then there would be no need to send out missionaries to christian nations.Using missionaries to aid the conversion process is a much less efficient process than if God simply touched those honest in heart to walk to the local church and receive the gospel. However, God has chosen to not use that method. So missionaries are sent out. I am not lacking in knowledge on how missionary work is done. I served an honorable mission and taught many christians turning them from their false beliefs towards the gospel of Christ. I am sure an evangelic, strong in his faith would think that I too was teaching them false doctrine and leading them astray.
california boy Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 Cb, see post 27 for a PDF of the program.Thanks for the link. Just curious, what part of the program do you most strongly react to? The statements of Mormon teaching looked pretty close to me compared to a lot of things others have taught against the church.
jo1952 Posted October 12, 2011 Posted October 12, 2011 I've been told I'm going to hell by more than one compassionate Evangelical. My favorite was my wifes old friend who started screaming at her in public, pointing to her pregnant belly and yelling that she was "carrying the spawn of Satan".I used to try to reason with these people posessed of a certain spirit. In my more cantankerous middle age I'm more tempted to drop trou and turn the other cheek towards them.I unexpectedly encountered a distant relative in a drug store once who was a member of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Since the last time I had seen her, I had discoverd and joined the LDS Church (though raised a Lutheran). She was old enough to be my mother. She very loudly verbally and also viciously physically attacked me, pushing me up against display racks, knocking things (and me) down. I had only been a member of the Church (and the ONLY member from my family) for about two years when this happened. I never attacked back and was so caught off guard, I can't remember if I ever actually spoke to her at all. I didn't get much support about the incident from my own parents and brothers, as they agreed with her.Interestingly, some 30 years later, she has joined the LDS Church and has also been to the Temple.Love,jo
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted October 12, 2011 Author Posted October 12, 2011 Another point about this conference... given the materials and activities these groups have produced the title of the conference and the stated purpose seems a little politically correct to me. Given their history I would not be surprised to see more of the same counter cult spiritual porn.??? sorry what is your meaning?
KevinG Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 ??? sorry what is your meaning?Sensational, titilating and a poor substitute for reality.
KevinG Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Rob is back. Perhaps he will give us a report on his field trip to Salt Lake?
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Rob is back. Perhaps he will give us a report on his field trip to Salt Lake?Is that what he was doing?If that is true I would have loved to go to lunch with him. Bummer.
KevinG Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 PM him = perhaps he's still out there and posting from the hotel?
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 PM him = perhaps he's still out there and posting from the hotel?Done and done.
Rob Bowman Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 I am here in the SLC area, and will be through Sunday. I am a plenary speaker at the Compassionate Boldness Conference that will be held at Calvary Chapel in SLC tomorrow evening and on Saturday. (I speak twice on Saturday.)Mola, I'll reply to your PM. I would be happy to get together with you, perhaps tomorrow.
Zakuska Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 I am here in the SLC area, and will be through Sunday. I am a plenary speaker at the Compassionate Boldness Conference that will be held at Calvary Chapel in SLC tomorrow evening and on Saturday. (I speak twice on Saturday.)Mola, I'll reply to your PM. I would be happy to get together with you, perhaps tomorrow. Ooh.. where at I might see if I can come.
LeSellers Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) Ooh.. where at I might see if I can come.It's not free, as all LDS functions are. I believe it's $50 to attend.See post #1 in this topic for the advertisement and pricing.Oh, and it's not for you anyway, it's for those who are trying to destroy The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.Lehi Edited October 13, 2011 by LeSellers
Zakuska Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 It's not free, as all LDS functions are. I believe it's $50 to attend.See post #1 in this topic for the advertisement and pricing.Oh, and it's not for you anyway, it's for those who are trying to destroy The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.Lehi No I was talking about Mola's and Robs private get together. I was thinking lunch or coffee house or something.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) No I was talking about Mola's and Robs private get together. I was thinking lunch or coffee house or something.I will be happy to invite all that would like to come. Of course if that is OK with Rob. Good news too, I should be able to get a car too. I car pool and generally do not have a vehicle. This should be fun. I am shooting for more of a meet and greet and not some sort of debate on religion. Should be fun. Edited October 13, 2011 by Mola Ram Suda Ram
KevinG Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Hopefully these guys can learn a little more compassion to go with their boldness...http://www.fairlds.org/Anti-Mormons/2002_October_General_Conference.html
Vance Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 No I was talking about Mola's and Robs private get together. I was thinking lunch or coffee house or something.Yea, but for your $30 registration fee you could get a FREE ANTI-MORMON DVD!!!!!A $10 VALUE!!!!
Zakuska Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Yea, but for your $30 registration fee you could get a FREE ANTI-MORMON DVD!!!!!A $10 VALUE!!!!But Im not into buying snake oil.
Storm Rider Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 I am here in the SLC area, and will be through Sunday. I am a plenary speaker at the Compassionate Boldness Conference that will be held at Calvary Chapel in SLC tomorrow evening and on Saturday. (I speak twice on Saturday.)Mola, I'll reply to your PM. I would be happy to get together with you, perhaps tomorrow.Rob, just my two cents...good luck at the conference. On a personal side, it grates that it is formal, but in reality I could not care less. Be honest, be bold in your testimony of Jesus Christ, and love your people. If love is not present it is a complete waste of time and effort. Of course, on the bright side that would only benefit us if is was a rousing, hell and damnation kind of condemnation about those bloody Mormons. God bless,
Mark Beesley Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 From the website:Christians who live in Utah and other communities with a significant Mormon population often want to speak to their Latter-day Saint neighbors about issues of eternal significance, yet many are not sure how to approach them about these sensitive topics. The Compassionate Boldness Conference will give you the opportunity to meet and learn from a variety of speakers who are experienced in actively engaging the Mormon people. Come and hear what God is doing in Utah. Discover what the Bible has to say to our Mormon neighbors, and what it has to say to us about compassion and boldness.Now, If I were to go to a conference like this I would want to be instructed by people who have had significant success in engaging and convincing Mormons of the errors of their ways. What is the best approach convert a Mormon to "biblical Christianity? What can I offer a Mormon that he/she does not already have?Yet, when I look at the roster of speakers, those with whom I am familiar can identify little if any success they have had in proselyting Mormons. What kind of person pays good money to be instructed by demonstrated failures?
KevinG Posted October 13, 2011 Posted October 13, 2011 (edited) There are lots of people there who successfully left the Church after 5-7 generations of family being LDS. Perhaps they will provide some insights on how to not be a Mormon? That after all is their expertise. Edited October 13, 2011 by DaddyG
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