Minos Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 We are seeing too much flaming. Just today I have thread banned five posters and suspended one. Calling posters trolls, fulfilling Godwin's Law or ragging on a poster instead of contributing to the topic are going to result in thread bans. I am seeing the same posters go from thread to thread with the same bad attitude. Those that have been warned are going to get suspended the next time and then board banned if it doesn't stop and it doesn't matter what side of the argument anyone is on. Let's make this board a pleasant place to be. Link to comment
KevinG Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Am I the only one here fighting the urge to post a smart alek response? Link to comment
KevinG Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Thank you MorningStar. I need to be humbled from time to time. Link to comment
ELF1024 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 We are seeing too much flaming. Just today I have thread banned five posters and suspended one. Calling posters trolls, fulfilling Godwin's Law or ragging on a poster instead of contributing to the topic are going to result in thread bans. I am seeing the same posters go from thread to thread with the same bad attitude. Those that have been warned are going to get suspended the next time and then board banned if it doesn't stop and it doesn't matter what side of the argument anyone is on. Let's make this board a pleasant place to be.What is the correct way to address the moderators when you feel that one of them has made an error in judgment. I see lot of notices about how not to address the moderators, but I do not see a prescribed "correct" method.Of course this assumes that the mods are human... which may be a false assumption on my part. Link to comment
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 What is the correct way to address the moderators when you feel that one of them has made an error in judgment. I see lot of notices about how not to address the moderators, but I do not see a prescribed "correct" method.Of course this assumes that the mods are human... which may be a false assumption on my part.Mod are humans. I got banned from the same thread. I was merely commenting on how a certain poster seems to spin a topic. I showed an example of it. Oh well. I guess I should have stated "This is an untenable claim" and left it at that. Would that have worked? I tire, though of being told that I am not used to such denominational thinking. I tire of being told that we are rubes and do not know the history as well as the critics. I just refute what they say. Tell me Mods, how would you like me to respond, can you please be specific? I have been banned from 2 threads now, since I have been on this board and I was some what confused on what I did. I know you guys might think it is crystal clear. I also realize that you might feel that I am asking for you to justify your position. That is not what I am after. Link to comment
KevinG Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 What is the correct way to address the moderators when you feel that one of them has made an error in judgment. I see lot of notices about how not to address the moderators, but I do not see a prescribed "correct" method.Of course this assumes that the mods are human... which may be a false assumption on my part.Once upon a time I did some moderation work for a discussion board. My advice would be to be repsectful, give your opinion then let the moderators handle it from there.Many times posters push the envelope and create difficulties that threaten to spiral out of control. Since the moderators depend on us self policing our own posts and cannot be everywhere 24/7 it is in the interest of the overall board to clamp down early when stuff starts to get personal or a flame war looks imminent.As a poster it is easy to lose patience with someone who seems to be intentionally obtuse. Be careful to stick to the facts and avoid mind reading, guessing at intentions (even when they seem transparent) or personal remarks.I have a wicked sense of sarcasm that I have to curb (and sometimes fail to do). My observation is that this board will err on the side of caution to prevent it from falling into a fight club like so many other religion discussion boards devolve into.Just my .02 and worth what you paid for it. 1 Link to comment
KevinG Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I guess I should have stated "This is an untenable claim" and left it at that. Seriously - that is a good place to start. Avoid mind reading (stating others "real intentions") Even if they are pretty transparent that is a good way to start a flame war. "I never said that... etc." Link to comment
Minos Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 We just had a personal exchange ELF and you had no trouble addressing a mod. Maybe you should be more concerned about how to address other posters. Link to comment
ELF1024 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Mod are humans. I got banned from the same thread. I was merely commenting on how a certain poster seems to spin a topic. I showed an example of it. Oh well. I guess I should have stated "This is an untenable claim" and left it at that. Would that have worked? I tire, though of being told that I am not used to such denominational thinking. I tire of being told that we are rubes and do not know the history as well as the critics. I just refute what they say. Tell me Mods, how would you like me to respond, can you please be specific? I have been banned from 2 threads now, since I have been on this board and I was some what confused on what I did. I know you guys might think it is crystal clear. I also realize that you might feel that I am asking for you to justify your position. That is not what I am after.My issue is that if five regular posters are saying the same thing about a "Newbie without form and void" perhaps we should be taken a slight bit serious. I am rather disheartened that a moderator seem to have completely ignored what was being said about this new person, and basically allowed what appeared to be a "problem" run the thread.This is the first time I've been booted out of a thread; and I'll admit I'm more than a little annoyed by it.Furthermore, I fail to see how kicking people out of threads is making "this board a pleasant place to be.": Link to comment
ELF1024 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 We just had a personal exchange ELF and you had no trouble addressing a mod. Maybe you should be more concerned about how to address other posters.Frankly, Minos, It's never been an issue before today. Link to comment
KevinG Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 A good rule of thumb for newbies... It may be the 1000th time you have addressed their issue but remember it may be the first time someone has addressed it honestly for them.I have burned myself before by being harsh with someone who had an honest question because I thought they were trolling.Real trolls will reveal themselves in time. Link to comment
Minos Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 Mod are humans. I got banned from the same thread. I was merely commenting on how a certain poster seems to spin a topic. I showed an example of it. Oh well. I guess I should have stated "This is an untenable claim" and left it at that. Would that have worked? I tire, though of being told that I am not used to such denominational thinking. I tire of being told that we are rubes and do not know the history as well as the critics. I just refute what they say. Tell me Mods, how would you like me to respond, can you please be specific? I have been banned from 2 threads now, since I have been on this board and I was some what confused on what I did. I know you guys might think it is crystal clear. I also realize that you might feel that I am asking for you to justify your position. That is not what I am after.This was your comment:So much for the "knowing perfectly well that Richards was unharmed and Taylor was probably still alive on the floor."What an untenable position to be in, this seems to be a constant with Xander. I love Xander's spin, it is about as much fun as the merry-go-round at the park.It was all about another poster and nothing to do with the topic, and it was another in a series of snarly responses that were bringing down the thread. The one sure way to get nailed is to make personal slams (1) in a thread that is going downhill and bringing in mods because of complaints, (2) fail to bury the jabs in a topical post filled with meaty content. (3) make a series of similar posts.If one poster gets nailed where another doesn't it is almost always because a report has been filed and/or that poster is already on the radar screen because of an overall negative posting style.When in doubt, do not talk about the poster at all, only talk about what is being said. Hope that helps. Link to comment
Skylla Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 ELF:This is what you wrote in the thread.As a new member of the forum, and appearing to be a troll, it's cute that you think that you're important enough to pay attention to.Emphasis mine. Such comments are insulting and don't contribute to the discussion.Skylla Link to comment
ELF1024 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) ELF:This is what you wrote in the thread.Emphasis mine. Such comments are insulting and don't contribute to the discussion.SkyllaWould you like to include the rest of the quote while you are at it?Xander, on 22 June 2011 - 07:48 AM, said: No one has addressed my numerous CFR on LeSellers who made more than a few untenable claims.As a new member of the forum, and appearing to be a troll, it's cute that you think that you're important enough to pay attention to.Perhaps if your tone was more respectful, someone might care what you think. Edited June 23, 2011 by ELF1024 Link to comment
Vance Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 It would be nice if the Mods would at least notify a poster when and why they are being booted from a thread. Perhaps a PM or an e-mail, if the Mod doesn't want to clutter the thread.It is rather frustrating to suddenly find that you not only can't post in a thread, but you can't even view it. Link to comment
Skylla Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Would you like to include the rest of the quote while you are at it?How does the rest of your post excuse the insult? Next time just report any offending posts and let the moderators deal with it please. Skylla Link to comment
MorningStar Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Thank you MorningStar. I need to be humbled from time to time. OK, I admit I had the same urge. But I fought it. Link to comment
ELF1024 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) How does the rest of your post excuse the insult? Next time just report any offending posts and let the moderators deal with it please. SkyllaWhen your a newbie in someone else's house, it's rude to wipe your mud stained boots on someone else's couch. I'm sorry that the mod's took offense at my comment about the author of the comments being offensive. However, it is ironic, that my comment about "Civility and Respect" is the one that got me banned on the thread. It's also ironic that the person I said them to is one of the few left on the thread. Edited June 23, 2011 by ELF1024 Link to comment
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 This was your comment:It was all about another poster and nothing to do with the topic, and it was another in a series of snarly responses that were bringing down the thread. The one sure way to get nailed is to make personal slams (1) in a thread that is going downhill and bringing in mods because of complaints, (2) fail to bury the jabs in a topical post filled with meaty content. (3) make a series of similar posts.If one poster gets nailed where another doesn't it is almost always because a report has been filed and/or that poster is already on the radar screen because of an overall negative posting style.When in doubt, do not talk about the poster at all, only talk about what is being said. Hope that helps.Thanks. I will state that I responded in kind to some of the things this particular poster was spouting. I should have reported him. I just don't like being a tatel tail. I would say that the root issue started with how that poster was responding. Carry on. Link to comment
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 It would be nice if the Mods would at least notify a poster when and why they are being booted from a thread. Perhaps a PM or an e-mail, if the Mod doesn't want to clutter the thread.It is rather frustrating to suddenly find that you not only can't post in a thread, but you can't even view it.I agree. The mods did offer a warning, it was just a general warning. Link to comment
CARPE DIEM Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 When your a newbie in someone else's house, it's rude to wipe your mud stained boots on someone else's couch. I'm sorry that the mod's took offense at my comment about the author of the comments being offensive. However, it is ironic, that my comment about "Civility and Respect" is the one that got me banned on the thread. It's also ironic that the person I said them to is one of the few left on the thread.Sad to see this happen at all. Myself and a large group of awesome people spent nearly two hours in the chat last night and had a great time, everyone was respectful and courteous. We all enjoyed the chat. Or better known as the "Insomniac club". Even Skylla came in and was very pleasant. Link to comment
Calm Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) If you don't think a person is responding with substance or is ignoring content that is being posted, my suggestion is rather than posting that over and over again, post it once without 'decorative' commentary (as fun and as satisfying as that can be when frustrated by refusal to actually deal with the evidence) and then report the lack of content and let the mods end up banning that guy from the thread if he doesn't respond rather than you. You are just playing by the lazy critic's 'rules' if you focus on the personal rather than the substance because that allows them to play victim and proclaim that you are doing that because you have nothing else to respond with.It's not that hard to do some searching to come up with rebuttals in most cases. If you respond that way and then point out that yet again your evidence is being ignored when it happens, it makes for a much better argument presentation. As soon as the personal becomes the dominant part of your post, it makes your argument look weaker, not stronger. Edited June 23, 2011 by calmoriah 1 Link to comment
bookofmormontruth Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I am obviously having a problem getting banned from threads and suspended. Doh! My mom would be sorely disappointed, I am sure, but since it looks like this thread is to discuss the "whys" on exactly what we did wrong in the eyes of the mods, I hope to be helped out a bit and then will be able to help out the mods by understanding the "whys" and avoid it in the future. At the risk of being banned from this thread, the reason I am specifically asking is that my private messages have gone unanswered - I understand Nemesis is a little busy with the other website so I understand that, but in the messages, I stated that I understood why I was suspended for my Rob Bowman topic poll, but asked what were the reasons for being banned for comments that I have made? I received no responses so I am still confused what the reasoning was?The most recent one is even more confusing.Minos stated: "I hope that was meant to be a joke but just in case you will be leaving the building" My linkThis was a reply to Deborah who I love as a sister and admire her well thought out posts. Not sure if you took that I was mocking her or what? Any explanations? The "just in case" really doesn't give me the benefit of the doubt does it?My posts are obviously being "flagged" from certain individuals who will remain nameless, but it isn't fun when I have to be made as the "example" just because someone has sensitive feelings or had a previous run in with. I understand I am a newer member and I am a little harsh with the critics, but let me help the mods by kinda letting me know what I am saying wrong? Or maybe a warning? I don't know??I understand the moderators roles and respect their decisions either way. Sorry to take up your time, just sincerely wondering on this topic. Thanks Edited June 23, 2011 by bookofmormontruth Link to comment
KevinG Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Newbies should read a while before jumping in. But they are newbies and shutting someone down because they appear to be confrontational just adds fuel to the argument that the TBMs are closed minded or touchy.It isn't always fair (no pun intended) but in defending our faith and POV we are held to a higher standard than someone who is inquisitive - even if they appear to have an axe to grind. Again my .02 and worth every penny you paid. Link to comment
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