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#41 Mola Ram Suda Ram

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 07:37 AM

Actually... in Joseph Smith's day, the criticism wasn't all that common. That's probably because many elementary school books, encyclopedias, dictionaries, biblical commentaries, religious periodicals, etc. actually promoted the notion that the ancients inscribed metal records.

I know, I know, it is hard to read sarcasim.

I confess I baited you. Sorry.

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 07:53 AM

I know, I know, it is hard to read sarcasim.

I confess I baited you. Sorry.

Wwwhhy I otta.... :P


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#43 Mola Ram Suda Ram

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 08:05 AM

Wwwhhy I otta.... :P


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Posted 01 April 2011 - 08:24 AM

Just received a note, indirectly, from Peter Thonemann at Oxford. He presents a pretty good case that the documents are modern forgeries.



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Given the spate of modern forgeries replete in Israel at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if they were fake. I noticed that they had a tenuous provenance and were probably forgeries, but nonetheless it's too bad.
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Posted 01 April 2011 - 10:59 AM

I wonder if, upon translation, we'll find these lead-plate writing Christians wondering why God had afflicted them with abdominal pain, headaches, and stunted neurological development in their children.
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Posted 01 April 2011 - 11:27 AM

I wonder if, upon translation, we'll find these lead-plate writing Christians wondering why God had afflicted them with abdominal pain, headaches, and stunted neurological development in their children.


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Posted 01 April 2011 - 11:34 AM

I wonder if, upon translation, we'll find these lead-plate writing Christians wondering why God had afflicted them with abdominal pain, headaches, and stunted neurological development in their children.

You forgot the sudden increase in the rate of autism.
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Posted 01 April 2011 - 11:42 AM

You forgot the sudden increase in the rate of autism.


Skeptical: Nearly all of the old plumbing in the cities in Europe and the US . . . as welll as other parts of the world . . . has lead piping bringing water into people's houses for bathing, washing, drinking, and cooking purposes. The new EPA regs on lead paint are monumentally stupid: you have to visqueen things off, not reuse stuff you wear removing the lead paint, and secure all dust, paint chips, and working material in a garbage bag that is taped securely.


Then you get to throw the garbage bag into the dumpster.

So it'll go to the land fill.

So it'll decay and enter the ground water.

So it'll end up being drunk by babies in their formula . . . or via breast milk.

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 11:57 AM

Hi...I'm actor Troy McClure. You might remember me from such educational films as "Lead Paint: Delicious But Deadly" and "Here Comes the Metric System!"


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The Flood and the Tower of Babel, by Donald W. Parry, assistant professor of Hebrew at BYU, Ensign, Jan 1998, 35

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Posted 01 April 2011 - 12:32 PM

Skeptical: Nearly all of the old plumbing in the cities in Europe and the US . . . as welll as other parts of the world . . . has lead piping bringing water into people's houses for bathing, washing, drinking, and cooking purposes. The new EPA regs on lead paint are monumentally stupid: you have to visqueen things off, not reuse stuff you wear removing the lead paint, and secure all dust, paint chips, and working material in a garbage bag that is taped securely.


Then you get to throw the garbage bag into the dumpster.

So it'll go to the land fill.

So it'll decay and enter the ground water.

So it'll end up being drunk by babies in their formula . . . or via breast milk.

USU "really, really skeptical" 78

Yeah, but then you go out to the landfill and dig it up and melt it down and make some early Christian lead plates!

With the price of metals these days going up.....

Who says you can't turn lead into gold?
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Posted 02 April 2011 - 08:31 PM

New claim: earliest portrait of Jesus found on the Jordan metal plates?

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I don't think so:

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Posted 02 April 2011 - 11:11 PM

New claim: earliest portrait of Jesus found on the Jordan metal plates?

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I don't think so:

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I think that's a dead ringer- what is so strange is how indistinct the image on the lead is, it almost seems like the coin is pushed into the lead from the "back" side- in the example you showed on this thread, the rounding of the coin is still visible.

Or more likely if one can find fingerprints, it must have originally been cast from some clay material which would make it easy to simply press a coin into.

It's really hard to figure out how all this eclectic imagery could be connected.

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Posted 03 April 2011 - 09:52 AM

News article about the image on one of them as possibly the first picture of Chrsit.

http://www.dailymail...ient-books.html
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Posted 03 April 2011 - 10:23 AM

You forgot the sudden increase in the rate of autism.


Hehe, actually, I think you will find this isn't such a bad thing :P.
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