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The only type of "Tent Cities" that I am well aware of are those tent cities concerning the Homeless Population. In the Greater Seattle Area, there are several "Tent Cities" that are established to provide shelter for those who are otherwise unable to have access to affordable living. In this sense, there might be members of the Church who do live in Tent Cities because they are not able to afford rent/mortgage. Take for instance the fact that the collapse of the sub-prime mortgage has cost many people a loss of home.

The question is this: How do we as members of the Church provide service, assistance, comfort, compassion, et all to those who have no other place to live but a tent? We need to not past judgment - especially attempt to associate such members to any "Fringe" or "underground" movement within the Church.

According to the National Coalition for the Homeless, Tent Cities are on the rise. They attempted to do a national study and report on Tent Cities in America, yet when they began on the West Coast, they discovered that there were so many encampments. One such Tent City was the focus of an Oprah Winfrey Show.

Washington state has four to five separate tent cities that total a population of approximately 345 people. California having approximately 1000 people in various tent cities.

Some of them are mobile and have difficulty finding locations for their encampments.

I personally would not be surprised that there is going to be an increase throughout the coming years of people moving into tent cities, and these cities becoming more and more prevalent than they already are. This is due in the cost of housing, increase of cost of living, and the inability of affordable housing (even though Affordable Housing right now is not very affordable for the majority of those plagued with poverty level living). Part of this is due to the fact that there are hardly any jobs (due to the fact of companies outsourcing majority of their work overseas), the decrease in the level of US production and manufacturing, and a modern social dilemma of Credit Abuse spending.

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Thanks. Wasn't it Elder Oaks who said, anything we need to know, or hear from the Prophet, we will hear in General Conference? Very wise. We just need to stay focused on Pres. Monson. When he moves into a tent, I'll take it seriously.

Thanks again.

And I am just willing to bet that we will be protected in the stakes of Zion that we live in. America is a great place to live in where we have protection and rights, at least for those who live righteously. America is blessed. God would not allow evil and conspirng men of such magnitude to overun this land in some great conspiracy. There are always two or more sides to every story and it would do some people good to read both sides rather than just believe the one side they want to hear. People who believe in this conspiracy are a people who seek to live in fear.

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And I am just willing to bet that we will be protected in the stakes of Zion that we live in.

We will, provided we are observing the commandments and counsels of the Lord.

Do you have your two-year's supply of food, money, fuel, and clothing? Is your financial house in order? Is your house paid for? If not, you may not be as protected as you dream.

Last year, at our stake preparedness fair, the stake Preparedeness Specialist told us that the Brethren have stopped talking about preparedness* because, after 150 years of such talks, few of us are listening, and now the Lord will preach His own sermons via fires, floods, and weather.

* President Hinckley's talk, "To the men and boys", was not about preparedness,
per se
, and did not refute this statement, not only because long before, but because it was about a different piece of the puzzle.

However you may interpret this information, the reason for tent cities is a place of refuge for the time when cities are riot zones (South Central LA, anyone?) because people do not have food, the stores are not supplied daily (as they must be to feed so many), when there is no electricity for days or weeks on end (can't pump gas without electricity), when there is little or no water (flush toilets won't work). If ye are prepared, ye shall not fear. A tent city will be much like a small city of Zion: each family will bring its own resources, but there will be a communality so the families will be able to exist. the problem is, when the cities are uninhabitable, as I am sure many will be, there will not be enough to share. When Brigham Young crossed the Mississippi in 1846, his two year's supply of food was gone in a week or so because so many Saints had ignored his counsel to have their own. While those in the cities will want to share, there will not be enough, there just will not be enough. When it comes down to choosing between my grandchildren and you, I would have a hard time choosing you over them. How many people, even Zion people, would feed you first ahead of their own families? Few, very, very few.

America is a great place to live in where we have protection and rights, at least for those who live righteously.

If is the issue. See above.

And, if the scenario is correct, and if Joseph, Brigham and other prophets were correct (as I believe them to be), USmerica will not be the place we once knew. Our rights will not be protected, our traditional protections, police, National Guard (aka militias), and so on will not be there for us. The courts would be swamped, jails straining to hold the malefactors who would steal before plowing, take before building.

And if a the police chief was hungry himself, would he scruple to starve rather than use his city-supplied pistol to threaten you for your food supply? Perhaps, but I would not put anything important, like my wife's life, on the line.

America is blessed. God would not allow evil and conspirng men of such magnitude to overun this land in some great conspiracy.

I do not believe this at all. See 3 Nephi 1~8.

The whole of the Book of Mormon, from Alma through Moroni (and especially Ether) is the tale of just such a conspiracy, in America by evil and conspiring men to overthrown the freedoms of the people. Sodom and Gomorrah were once-blessed places, too, but the evil men in them were not sufficient for the Lord to stop the destruction of these cities.

There are always two or more sides to every story and it would do some people good to read both sides rather than just believe the one side they want to hear. People who believe in this conspiracy are a people who seek to live in fear.

No one "seek to live in fear", good sir. Those of us who see the potential of great devastation, whether we are "tent city" proponents or not, are not living in fear, we are preparing for the worst, and we know that our preparations may not be needed, but they may be just the same.

If we do what the Lord has commanded, including getting our houses in order, storing the food, clothing, fuel, and money as the Apostles of the Lord have been counseling since 1840 or earlier, then, and only then, can we have the blessings. If not, we have no promise.

Lehi

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We will, provided we are observing the commandments and counsels of the Lord.

Do you have your two-year's supply of food, money, fuel, and clothing? Is your financial house in order? Is your house paid for? If not, you may not be as protected as you dream.

Last year, at our stake preparedness fair, the stake Preparedeness Specialist told us that the Brethren have stopped talking about preparedness* because, after 150 years of such talks, few of us are listening, and now the Lord will preach His own sermons via fires, floods, and weather.

* President Hinckley's talk, "To the men and boys", was not about preparedness,
per se
, and did not refute this statement, not only because long before, but because it was about a different piece of the puzzle.

However you may interpret this information, the reason for tent cities is a place of refuge for the time when cities are riot zones (South Central LA, anyone?) because people do not have food, the stores are not supplied daily (as they must be to feed so many), when there is no electricity for days or weeks on end (can't pump gas without electricity), when there is little or no water (flush toilets won't work). If ye are prepared, ye shall not fear. A tent city will be much like a small city of Zion: each family will bring its own resources, but there will be a communality so the families will be able to exist. the problem is, when the cities are uninhabitable, as I am sure many will be, there will not be enough to share. When Brigham Young crossed the Mississippi in 1846, his two year's supply of food was gone in a week or so because so many Saints had ignored his counsel to have their own. While those in the cities will want to share, there will not be enough, there just will not be enough. When it comes down to choosing between my grandchildren and you, I would have a hard time choosing you over them. How many people, even Zion people, would feed you first ahead of their own families? Few, very, very few.

If is the issue. See above.

And, if the scenario is correct, and if Joseph, Brigham and other prophets were correct (as I believe them to be), USmerica will not be the place we once knew. Our rights will not be protected, our traditional protections, police, National Guard (aka militias), and so on will not be there for us. The courts would be swamped, jails straining to hold the malefactors who would steal before plowing, take before building.

And if a the police chief was hungry himself, would he scruple to starve rather than use his city-supplied pistol to threaten you for your food supply? Perhaps, but I would not put anything important, like my wife's life, on the line.

I do not believe this at all. See 3 Nephi 1~8.

The whole of the Book of Mormon, from Alma through Moroni (and especially Ether) is the tale of just such a conspiracy, in America by evil and conspiring men to overthrown the freedoms of the people. Sodom and Gomorrah were once-blessed places, too, but the evil men in them were not sufficient for the Lord to stop the destruction of these cities.

No one "seek to live in fear", good sir. Those of us who see the potential of great devastation, whether we are "tent city" proponents or not, are not living in fear, we are preparing for the worst, and we know that our preparations may not be needed, but they may be just the same.

If we do what the Lord has commanded, including getting our houses in order, storing the food, clothing, fuel, and money as the Apostles of the Lord have been counseling since 1840 or earlier, then, and only then, can we have the blessings. If not, we have no promise.

Lehi

My understanding of things is much different. America is not going to fall or fail. We are not going to go live in tent cities in this country because of some commy plot to take over the world. The promises I read in the Book of Mormon have a much different outcome than what some others want to believe.

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My understanding of things is much different.

An understanding to which you are entitled. However, if I am wrong, the only things that are lost are time and effort (and a little money, which is the same thing). If you are wrong ... .

America is not going to fall or fail.

We have only the promise of Ether 2:12

"Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written."

I am not seeing all that much serving going on.

We are not going to go live in tent cities in this country because of some commy plot to take over the world.

There are more evils in the world than socialism.

The promises I read in the Book of Mormon have a much different outcome than what some others want to believe.

I'd be pleased to see something else on the matter.

Lehi

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An understanding to which you are entitled. However, if I am wrong, the only things that are lost are time and effort (and a little money, which is the same thing). If you are wrong ... .

We have only the promise of Ether 2:12

"Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written."

I am not seeing all that much serving going on.

Then open your eyes. Americans donated over 300 billion to charities last year alone- more than any other nation on earth. There are countless programs in America that are centered around service like the BSA, Religious organizations, Clubs, organizations, companies, etc. Besides that the majority of American citizens have a belief in God- we are a Christian nation. I see lots of serving going on.

There are more evils in the world than socialism.

I'd be pleased to see something else on the matter.

Lehi

When we begin to understand that America is the general "Zion" as spoken of by the prophets then we can see the blessings afforded us as we serve Christ. Here is a scripture-

68 And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 45:68)

Now let me give a brief actual story of my brother and a fulifilling of this scripture-

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/50611331-80/sarah-foster-says-ray.html.csp

The three refugees literally fled their homeland because they did not want to take up arms against their fellow brothers and sisters. Through the Catholic refugee placement program they came to SLC which is Zion (or a stake of Zion) where they now live peacefully. The promises made to Zion are abundant in scripture.

It is sad that often times the news spends the majority of their time on all the negative stories and not so much on the good stories. The truth is that more good stuff than bad stuff happens in this country, most of which goes un-noticed.

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Add me to the list of people who has only heard of "tent cities" when it comes to shelter for the homeless.

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