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[CV75]

calmoriah, on 03 January 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

So for my theory, our intelligences were the first cause and the differences have always existed being part of that first cause.

I lean this way myself; not sure I fully understand "first cause" but I do view agency as a property of our co-eternal nature with God, and in that way agency (and resultant differences) always existed with us independent of God's controlling it for us.

[calmoriah]

CV75, on 03 January 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

I lean this way myself; not sure I fully understand "first cause" but I do view agency as a property of our co-eternal nature with God, and in that way agency (and resultant differences) always existed with us independent of God's controlling it for us.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Primum_movens

[Vance]

calmoriah, on 03 January 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

....pretty much how most traditional Christians view God, nothing caused God to be God, he is the first cause.

To me, that still doesn't address the issue.

In their view, as I understand it, God is eternal/has ALWAYS existed.  It (to avoid gender identity) sat (for lack of a better way to express it/not implying any physical nature) in (for lack of a better way to express it/not implying any spatial nature) indolence for eternity, then suddenly, worked for 6 "days".  What caused the change from indolence to industry?