Thanks for the response.
Good questions. I think I addressed my own view on Satan's existence and so forth in a previous post to ElfLord. But I don't mind taking the affirmative Evangelical argument.
Thats fine too. I've ran into a couple of people over the years, now that your position has been explained, that have taken the same course of belief as you, as evangelicals--annihilation of the wicked. I wouldn't mind exploring that as well. Perhaps we can do that side by side.
If God created evil, only to destroy many to most of HIs creations and subsequently saving some others, for whatever reason, is the point of evil to make those He arbitrarily saves stronger?
Does the notion of completely obliterating those who are evil suggest a pointless existence for those who will be destroyed? And, is giving eternal blessedness to those who will be saved, arbitrarily, really good considering it is at the cost to many others who arbitrarily have no purposefuly existence but to make others stronger? I see evil in the very concept of your belief itself it seems.
Something worth taking into consideration is this concept of evil itself. Your premise here seems to be that evil will continue to exist given an EV view after judgment. I disagree.
The reason I say so, is that evil requires action or at the very least it requires thought. In example, neither a man, a child or a hammer could be considered evil. However, a man bludgeoning a child to death with a hammer would certainly be evil.. likely you would agree with me that a man dwelling upon such a notion would be evil as well.
In the above example this man would have to access to such a situation or simply the access to cognition to attain something that was actually evil.
I see no good reason to think that a being that is disconnected both physically and spiritually from everything is capable of either physical or cognitive evil. So to get your point through I think you would have to establish that Evangelicals consider hell bound beings capable of committing or even conceiving of evil.
I would like to see what persuasive argumentation you can present.
I think taking the bolded assumption above, you may have a point. Of course I see no reason to take that assumption. If people here and now are capable of physical and cognitive evil, then why assume beings who continue after death are not also capable of such? I think its rather presumptuous to take that stand in some hope to escape the problem of evil.
Also, it would be my argument that it is evil in itself to let others suffer eternally, in what has been described to me as the worst suffering imaginable, when one has a means to keep these others from suffering at all. Also it is evil to create beings knowing they're eternal existence will be nothing but to suffer eternally, when one could create them, at least theoretically, to not suffer at all. Thus, with this said, not only does evil continue, but it continues in God who, it would have to be assumed, destroyed evil in other of his creations. Instead of enjoying an eternity in goodness, for those who are saved, they are enjoying selfish fruits of salvation with the very one who continues in His own self-initiated evil. That just seems despicable.
Bold mine. I agree that God can destroy evil, but don't see how you can actually make such a statement and remain a believing LDS. I didn't think your thread was headed towards the direction of Grace vs. Works. However this seems to be where it is at this point.
I want to counter your statement with a few questions.
1. Can God destroy evil without the consent of any other being?
Its a tough and good question. After considering it, I would have to suggest no. He cannot in that He abides by the precept that evil can only be destroyed within individuals through their own choice.
2a. If so, could you please explain how that works?
2b. If not and such a matter requires some sort or reciprocity of another individual, then your statement is a bit misleading because how can it be said that God destroys evil when it would be better said they both destroy evil together?
I would say because it is really God who does the destroying, we essentially give Him the okay through our own faithfulness, that it is not God and others doing it together. LDS scritpure states, "And we know that justification through the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is just and true. And we know also, that sanctification through the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is just and true, to all those who love and serve God with all their mights, minds, and strength." (D&C 20:30-31)
3. In either case, I am curious to know how God or both God and another individual combined together are capable of destroying any amount of evil if (given the LDS view) that evil is infinite? There is a paradox in the statement of course, but I am curious as to how you dismiss it.
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I hear ya when you say "misleading". I don't intend to be. I might have erred in my communication. I don't think God will destroy all evil, as it is evident that evil, or the continuation of evil, is necessary for beings to grow. Not only will beings be given the chance to grow as they enter their mortal sojourns, but beings can grow within, as I understand it, their own kingdom of glory. Thus, God has an eternal purpose for evil as well. What I meant by God being able to destroy evil is that He is able and will destroy evil within individuals, as individuals allow Him to.
I hope that helps. And thanks for the discussion