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#1 cinepro

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:11 PM

The most recent issue of the Meldrum dispatch looks ahead to the coming year, in which we learn:

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Upon returning I practically locked myself in my office for several weeks, working on the two major projects that have been requested most often; a well-made picture "coffee-table" book with beautiful photography including updated information on the research, artifacts, etc. that will make it easier to share without having to find a DVD player, and the book on Joseph Smith and his knowledge of Book of Mormon geography.  This is the book which I offered for those of you who filled out the survey early last summer...and which you will still receive upon its completion!  It has taken longer than anticipated, so I must thank you for your patience, and I hope to complete it in the next two months and get it out to you because there is so much misinformation and confusing claims going on that I hope it will clear up the issue.   It is critical to get the historical documentation and facts correct so that the information is straight forward and reliable.  

In the upcoming emails and newsletters I hope to share with you some of the incredibly exciting new research and findings in support of the Book of Mormon.  

You'll receive information responding to the growing din of anti-Heartland articles from three well-meaning, but misguided organizations who have become a bit, shall we say, "overzealous" in their promotion of their Mesoamerican theories.

Should be...interesting.


Edited by cinepro, 08 December 2010 - 12:12 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:23 PM

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a well-made picture "coffee-table" book with beautiful photography... that will make it easier to share without having to find a DVD player
Those darn DVD players. You can never find one when you need it.
Well, at least from this "dispatch" we can glean who his audience is. Well, better go check on grandma...

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It is critical to get the historical documentation and facts correct so that the information is straight forward and reliable.
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Unfortunately, up to this point, his "historical documentation and facts" have been somewhat less than "straight forward and reliable."
Can we hold out for improvement? Eh, probably not.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:33 PM

View Postcinepro, on 08 December 2010 - 12:11 PM, said:

Should be...interesting.
All that is necessary for apologetics to fail is that critics do nothing.

Edited by Mortal Man, 08 December 2010 - 04:35 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:42 PM

View PostMortal Man, on 08 December 2010 - 12:33 PM, said:

All that is necessary for apologetics to fail is that critics to do nothing.
Ha, that is funny.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 01:10 PM

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You'll receive information responding to the growing din of anti-Heartland articles from three well-meaning, but misguided organizations who have become a bit, shall we say, "overzealous" in their promotion of their Mesoamerican theories.

OK, I'm stumped. He undoubtedly is taking aim here at FARMS (The Maxwell Institute) and FAIR. But what is the third "misguided" and "overzealous" organization?
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Nobody gives you all the facts all at once, leastwise anti-Mormons and hostile critics. If selective focus or emphasis amounts to deceit, they are the worst of offenders.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 01:17 PM

View PostScott Lloyd, on 08 December 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

OK, I'm stumped. He undoubtedly is taking aim here at FARMS (The Maxwell Institute) and FAIR. But what is the third "misguided" and "overzealous" organization?
The Church?

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 01:26 PM

View PostScott Lloyd, on 08 December 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

OK, I'm stumped. He undoubtedly is taking aim here at FARMS (The Maxwell Institute) and FAIR. But what is the third "misguided" and "overzealous" organization?
Probably the Church News, the random zeal of its staff writers is legendary.

Edited by Mortal Man, 08 December 2010 - 01:38 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 02:04 PM

View PostScott Lloyd, on 08 December 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

OK, I'm stumped. He undoubtedly is taking aim here at FARMS (The Maxwell Institute) and FAIR. But what is the third "misguided" and "overzealous" organization?

Scott

His third nemisis is BMAF. Their conference this fall was targeted directly against Meldrum's claims. Unfortunately for Meldrum, they also have their resident Emeritus General Authorities. Three of them to Meldrum's one champion.

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Edited by poulsenll, 08 December 2010 - 02:05 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 02:15 PM

View Postpoulsenll, on 08 December 2010 - 02:04 PM, said:

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His third nemisis is BMAF. Their conference this fall was targeted directly against Meldrum's claims. Unfortunately for Meldrum, they also have their resident Emeritus General Authorities. Three of them to Meldrum's one champion.

Larry P
Ah, OK.

When you mentioned this, I wondered whether the BMAF had a counterpart to Kieth Merrill, but I see from its website that Chris Heimerdinger (Tennis Shoes among the Nephites) is a past BMAF forum speaker. Since he, like Kieth, is an entertainment-media type, maybe he'll do in a duel.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 02:24 PM

View PostMortal Man, on 08 December 2010 - 12:33 PM, said:

All that is necessary for apologetics to fail is that critics to do nothing.
hahaha!
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:30 PM

View PostScott Lloyd, on 08 December 2010 - 02:15 PM, said:

Ah, OK.

When you mentioned this, I wondered whether the BMAF had a counterpart to Kieth Merrill, but I see from its website that Chris Heimerdinger (Tennis Shoes among the Nephites) is a past BMAF forum speaker. Since he, like Kieth, is an entertainment-media type, maybe he'll do in a duel.

With three "well meaning" organizations in opposition, do we call it a duel or are we watching a tag team operation with Meldrum  and Porter on one team and MI, FAIR and BMAF on the other.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:34 PM

The amount of animosity towards Rod Meldrum from the members of this board is amusing, yet puzzling at the same time. Seems he is the only one not allowed to have a theory. For one man to ruffle so many feathers is very telling.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:40 PM

View PostBookofMormonLuvr, on 08 December 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

The amount of animosity towards Rod Meldrum from the members of this board is amusing, yet puzzling at the same time. Seems he is the only one not allowed to have a theory. For one man to ruffle so many feathers is very telling.
Call for references, please.  Where do you see all this alleged animosity?  Who argues that he shouldn't have a theory?

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 04:44 PM

View PostPahoran, on 08 December 2010 - 04:40 PM, said:

Call for references, please.  Where do you see all this alleged animosity?  Who argues that he shouldn't have a theory?

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Uh, this thread and another thread where I recommended reading his book. I am sure if I dug further I could find plenty of anti-Meldrumism. The mere mention of his name seems to conjure up several post of derision towards him and his ideas.

Edited by BookofMormonLuvr, 08 December 2010 - 04:45 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 05:02 PM

View PostBookofMormonLuvr, on 08 December 2010 - 04:44 PM, said:

Uh, this thread and another thread where I recommended reading his book. I am sure if I dug further I could find plenty of anti-Meldrumism. The mere mention of his name seems to conjure up several post of derision towards him and his ideas.
Okay, let's focus on this thread.  It's a fairly short one, so far; care to quote something that strikes you as displaying animosity towards Meldrum?

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 05:04 PM

Gee, the obviously dismissive attitude of Meldrum throughout the entire thread.

Spare me, Pahoran.


Clean up the attitude.  You have been asked a straight forward question so either answer straight forward or leave the thread.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 06:26 PM

First of all, the heartland model is not original with Meldrum. It has been proposed by both antis (to discredit Joseph Smith) and TBMs (because of the Hill Cumorah in New York and statements by previous Church leaders that it is the site of the final battles). In its present form it was first proposed by May and Goble. Goble being the author of the model. Goble has since repudiated the theory and parted with May. Meldrum has joined up with May and together are again promoting this theory. Unfortunately, Meldrum has added his interpretation to exclude everyone outside the Borders of the United States from the blessings promised in the Book of Mormon. This is a revival of the political doctrine of Manifest Destiny and is better known as American Exclusivism. There is nothing wrong with Meldrum picking up and advocating an old theory of Book of MOrmon Geography but to promote American exclusivism relative to Book of Mormon promises is contrary to the teachings of the Church for the past 180 years.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 09:11 PM

View PostBookofMormonLuvr, on 08 December 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

The amount of animosity towards Rod Meldrum from the members of this board is amusing, yet puzzling at the same time. Seems he is the only one not allowed to have a theory. For one man to ruffle so many feathers is very telling.

No he is very much entitled to and allowed to have a theory.  Nobody has a problem with that.  The problem comes when he presents it as revealed doctrine and if you question it you are apostate.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 09:12 PM

View PostPahoran, on 08 December 2010 - 04:40 PM, said:

Call for references, please.  Where do you see all this alleged animosity?  Who argues that he shouldn't have a theory?

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I've been called a jerk on this board for tepidly defending his theories as being more consistent with church pronouncements, and I think he's kind of a nut job.  So there's one reference fer ya.
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 10:45 PM

View PostPahoran, on 08 December 2010 - 01:17 PM, said:

The Church?

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The church itself is promoting mesoamerican theories? Hmm. That would be interesting.
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