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Feel free to bash and tear apart as you see fit.

I wont respond.

But do leave a grade. :P

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Fig. 1. Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh.

The Sun as Primeval Creator God seated in the center of the hypo. He is holding the wes scepter, a symbol of power and dominion. Near his top right is the hierogliphic representation of the Nun, the primeval waters which he came from during the first creation. In other hypo's he has 4 heads, representing the first four generations of creation.

Fig 3: Fig. 3. Is made to represent God, sitting upon his throne, clothed with power and authority; with a crown of eternal light upon his head; representing also the grand Key-words of the Holy Priesthood, as revealed to Adam in the Garden of Eden, as also to Seth, Noah, Melchizedek, Abraham, and all to whom the Priesthood was revealed.

This is Re, sun god and creator. In Leiden papyrus 383, Jehovah and Abraham are associated with the "four fold creator", the "fury of Re".

Fig 22, 23. the stars receiving light from the revolutions of Kolob

These apes are recieving the warmth of the sun's rays as it rises in the morning. Apes were associated with the god Thoth and has solar and lunar connections. Apes were also connected with the Hapy, a son of Horus and himself a baboon. Hapy also functioned as a star god and was a five pointed stellar constellation.

Fig. 5. Is called in Egyptian Enish-go-on-dosh; this is one of the governing planets also, and is said by the Egyptians to be the Sun, and to borrow its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, which is the grand Key, or, in other words, the governing power, which governs fifteen other fixed planets or stars, as also Floeese or the Moon, the Earth and the Sun in their annual revolutions. This planet receives its power through the medium of Kli-flos-is-es, or Hah-ko-kau-beam, the stars represented by numbers 22 and 23, receiving light from the revolutions of Kolob.

The cow here is Hathor, wearing the two plumed sun between her horns. She is the the sky. She gives birth to the sun and puts him on her horns, placing him above. Among other things, the sun was also considered the literal eye ball of Re thus recieving the title "Eye of Re". Curiosly, the BoD also calls the Hathor Cow "Eye of Re".

Eye of Re=sun

Eye of Re=hathor cow

Fig. 6. Represents this earth in its four quarters.

The four Sons of Horus: Imsety, Hapy, Qebesenuaf and Duamutef. Among other things, these were the gods of the four cardinal points: Imsety was associated with the South, Hapy with the North, Duamutef with the East and Qebesenuaf with the West. In order to divide something in four quarters you need 4 points from which to cut from the north to the south, from the east to the west. Simple geometry to say the least.

Fig. 7. Represents God sitting upon his throne, revealing through the heavens the grand Key-words of the Priesthood; as, also, the sign of the Holy Ghost unto Abraham, in the form of a dove.

The Min, ictyphalic with upraised arm in authority was a predynastic god. In the earliest times he was a sky-god called the "Chief of Heaven". He was the "Great Male, the owner of all females.

The Bull who is unites with those of the sweet love, of beautiful face and of painted eyes,

Victorious sovereign among the Gods who inspires fear in the Ennead." The goddesses are glad, seeing his perfection. This fits well with the Mysteries of Godliness as revealed by Joseph Smith and his earliest successors.

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Fig. 4. Prince of Pharaoh, King of Egypt, as written above the hand.

Can Maat be the name of a Prince? Could a Prince be equated with a female divinity? Well Ramses the 2nd was. As Pharoah, one of his throne names was Woser-Maat-Ra. During one particular rite, the Pharoah presented the gods with a little statute of Maat. This statute was also a rebus of the king's name it a held a Woser staff and wore a sun disk on its head, along with the Maat feather. It can be said that in this doll was both Maat and Woser-Maat-Ra(Ramses 2). So, during one ritual event Maat was Pharoah, Pharoah was Maat. Though still recquiring a "leap of faith", Joseph's interpretation does not recquire that great of a leap and can be considered possible.

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Fig. 7. Represents God sitting upon his throne, revealing through the heavens the grand Key-words of the Priesthood; as, also, the sign of the Holy Ghost unto Abraham, in the form of a dove.

The Min, ictyphalic with upraised arm in authority was a predynastic god. In the earliest times he was a sky-god called the "Chief of Heaven". He was the "Great Male, the owner of all females.

The Bull who is unites with those of the sweet love, of beautiful face and of painted eyes,

Victorious sovereign among the Gods who inspires fear in the Ennead." The goddesses are glad, seeing his perfection. This fits well with the Mysteries of Godliness as revealed by Joseph Smith and his earliest successors.

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No bashing, but simply an observation that I have probably made in the past. Compare the facsimile to this Sumerian signet

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They are extemely similiar. In the Sumerian cylandar seal an inidividual is presented before an god (noticed by his headress).

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To paraphrase Kerry Muhelstien in his Review of Astronomy Papyrus and covenant,

There may have been a J-red, but could their have been an E-red as well?

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No bashing, but simply an observation that I have probably made in the past. Compare the facsimile to this Sumerian signet

cylinder_seal_va243.jpg

They are extemely similiar. In the Sumerian cylandar seal an inidividual is presented before an god (noticed by his headress).

They do look extremely similar. I wonder if one could be a mimic of the other, even an ancient plagarism. There are differences (number of figures, etc.) but the similarity is uncanny.

What are the estimated ages of the two. Could the Sumerian have copied the style from Egypt, or vice versa?

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I found this page about your image: http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/geocentrism/sumerians.html

Here's another:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4716/27....c%20Merged.jpg

This appears to be a procession into the presence of the moon god Sin. The next one is the god Ea:

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Here is Inanna:

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These date in the neighborhood of 2000 BC. Some even earlier.

Another one: http://www.ancientneareast.net/religion_me...ds/enki_ea.html

There may indeed be some stylistic connections between Egyptian and Sumerian iconographies. Nevertheless, their cultures and religious beliefs in many ways were quite different from one another.

-CK

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They do look extremely similar. I wonder if one could be a mimic of the other, even an ancient plagarism. There are differences (number of figures, etc.) but the similarity is uncanny.

What are the estimated ages of the two. Could the Sumerian have copied the style from Egypt, or vice versa?

The Sumerian dates from 4500 years ago. Much later than the Egyptian. I attribute the similarity to a possible assimilation of Mesopotamian religious thought by Egypt.

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There may indeed be some stylistic connections between Egyptian and Sumerian iconographies. Nevertheless, their cultures and religious beliefs in many ways were quite different from one another.

-CK

It bears some repeating that Ea and Ya were similar deities. As to your final comment. I think that there are many more similarities than icongraphic ones. One that comes to immediate understanding is the Dumuzi and Enkimdu folktale that parallels the story of Isis, Osiris, and Seth and finds further development in the story of Cain and Abel and later in the Arabic accounts of the same. Similiar comparisons can be found with the creation of man, the story of Enoch, Noah, etc.

I found this page about your image: http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/geocentrism/sumerians.html

-CK

I found this link fascinating because he tries to find evidence for Babylonian knowledge of 12 planets.

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The Sumerian dates from 4500 years ago. Much later than the Egyptian. I attribute the similarity to a possible assimilation of Mesopotamian religious thought by Egypt.

Don't you mean earlier than the Egyptian? The Book of Breathings is only about 2000 years old...

Or are you referring to some much older precedent?

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So are we saying its possible that the egyptian presentation motif was borrowed from the sumerian? Or did they originate idependantly?

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Don't you mean earlier than the Egyptian? The Book of Breathings is only about 2000 years old...

Or are you referring to some much older precedent?

Oooops...much earlier.

So are we saying its possible that the egyptian presentation motif was borrowed from the sumerian? Or did they originate idependantly?

I believe that the Egyptian is a result of diffusion from the Sumerians. Little devils got around.

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