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[Sargon]

Yes Johnny, David had free will. And he exercised it often. One day, his will did not coincide with God's, and he was punished for it. We all have the freedom to choose to obey or disobey God. David certainly had a choice, he could have disobeyed. But looking at it from the perspective of David as an all around obedient and righteous man, there was no choice in his mind. He simply obeyed and kept the wives that God gave him. Are you going to admit now that God gave him wives, that God asked him to live a polygamous life?

From what I understand of the law of levirate, the brother-in-law of a widow must take the widow as his wife, even if he already has a wife of his own. This is called polygamy Johnny. Alot of early saints practiced this from much the same reason, to take care of each other.


Sargon

[johnny]

Sargon,

>> Are you going to admit now that God gave him wives

In my earlier post I have said that God gave him wives, God gives us things.

>> that God asked him to live a polygamous life

Clearly God did not ask David to live a polygamous life.

>> From what I understand of the law of levirate, the brother-in-law of a widow must take the widow as his wife, even if he already has a wife of his own. This is called polygamy Johnny.

As I said earlier God tolerated polygamy in the Old Testament.

[Sargon]

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In my earlier post I have said that God gave him wives, God gives us things.

You also said that God "tolerated" polygamy. Giving is a far cry from simply tolerating. What God tolerated was divorce, he didn't give divorce. God gave polygamy.

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Clearly God did not ask David to live a polygamous life.

No Johnny, there is nothing clear about this conclusion. You need to explain why this is so clear.

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As I said earlier God tolerated polygamy in the Old Testament.

God simply tolerated the Law of Levirate? God commanded the law of levirate.

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Deut 25
5If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

Johnny, you can't get around the fact that God sanctioned polygamous marriage. He not only tolerated it, He gave it. He recommended it. Must not be such a bad thing after all.


Sargon

[johnny]

Sargon,

>> Johnny, you can't get around the fact that God sanctioned polygamous marriage. He not only tolerated it, He gave it. He recommended it. Must not be such a bad thing after all.

The Old Testament revealed WIVES.  The Old Testament does not contain the fullness of Godâ??s revelation.  The New Testament reveals one WIFE, it does not reveal WIVES like the Old Testament.

[Sargon]

johnny, on Apr 14 2007, 02:46 PM, said:

Sargon,

>> Johnny, you can't get around the fact that God sanctioned polygamous marriage. He not only tolerated it, He gave it. He recommended it. Must not be such a bad thing after all.

The Old Testament revealed WIVES.  The Old Testament does not contain the fullness of Godâ??s revelation.  The New Testament reveals one WIFE, it does not reveal WIVES like the Old Testament.

Too late Johnny, you already used Adam and Eve as an argument. That story is found in the OT. You can't have it both ways.

Sargon

[johnny]

Sargon,

>> Too late Johnny, you already used Adam and Eve as an argument. That story is found in the OT. You can't have it both ways.

It is also found in the New Testament (Matt 19:5) ...

[rufus]

At this point let me add that how one lives their life is a personal decision.  If one elects to live in plural marriage with consenting adults, that is between the individuals concerned and God.  No matter how many scriptures you quote, it is really none of your business.  

Rufus

[Sargon]

rufus, on Apr 15 2007, 10:01 PM, said:

At this point let me add that how one lives their life is a personal decision.  If one elects to live in plural marriage with consenting adults, that is between the individuals concerned and God.  No matter how many scriptures you quote, it is really none of your business.  

Rufus

If the decision is between individuals and God, we are here to determine if God has ever been involved in such a decision. If he has, which we have shown him to have been, then it is possible he could have been involved in the decisions made by Joseph Smith and other early LDS to participate in plural marriage. The scriptures are clear, and when we successfully prove that to our critics, suddenly the argument shifts from "God has never been ok with polygamy" to "God may have been ok with polygamy in the OT, but not now."

Sargon

[roman]

Sargon, on Apr 15 2007, 10:52 PM, said:

when we successfully prove that to our critics


Sargon

Oh I think your[the lds church] is about 1 billion miles from this point of yours