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  1. Born and raised LDS, married in the Temple...the whole 9 yards. Well....except I like to drink, sometimes socially, other times to "make things go away". My husband and I started on a vacation 17 years ago, and justified that since it was out of the country....we went every other year, came back, prayed for forgiveness and moved on. But in the last 2-3 years we have become far more involved. We can go 4-5 months and then binge for 2 weeks. Then we set a new time frame and start over. We don't go to the Temple because we feel that we shouldn't. So here is the thing...our recommends are 3 days from expiring and the counselor is bugging us to schedule. STUCK! TO be clear, neither of us have an issue with doctrine, Joseph Smith or Priesthood....or any of the other usual things. We have always clung to our faith. So what we have in a sense going on, is that we want our cake and to eat it too. The dilemma is what to do about the counselor. If we don't go within a certain time for a renewal, we hit the Bishops radar...if we get called in, he's going to want to know why. I am not ready to come clean, I don't want help. But I don't want to lie in a sacred interview. To add to the mix, we are going to Europe and plan on drinking a lot of wine. Later this year another vacation where we will be drinking a lot. If you are wondering, no, it's not alcoholism on either side...it's that binge thing. We hold out and then binge in our "off" time. Knowing that we have no intention of quitting this year...I feel I am stuck with 2 choices. First, come clean to the Bishop, and deal with consequences, such as being removed from our callings (we have limited our other activities such as Temple and off and on with Sacrament) OR we lie...(it's hard to write that). If we just get through those interviews, we are off anyones radar while we continue to seek our way through this mess we made. I want the whole Eternity thing. My husband is more of a closed book and can't say what he wants. He wants me...for ever, but he is hurt by the church....I should say WE are hurt by people in the church...their cultural stupidity and not doctrine.. Our 4 children have all opted out, my husband says "if they aren't going to be there, why would I work so hard to be there" of course he doesn't mean that about me. So it's complicated. We know the people aren't true, but the church is. But boy can they do damage. So I am looking for thoughts. Ps, anyone know how to ask the counselor for time without it going on the Bishops agenda?
  2. Should Illegal Aliens be able to get temple recommends? The question came up in another website with an interesting answer. I responded to it but it was not published. The gist of the sites response was that if the were paying taxes and supporting a family is was OK, if they were a murder it was not. My response was as follows; A good tactic (website), show and discuss families (who doesn't like families) & then drug dealers/murders (who does like these folks). Polarize us a little more and obscure the discussion. What about children sent here alone? What about teenagers that just rebel and want to get away? What about those that just want to make more money? My ancestors came here as immigrants, the legal way. Wasn't easy, but they did it. Is supporting a family honorable - yes, is it doing it illegally honorable - ???? Changing your conditions where you are and/or the government you live under is not always easy but it can be done as our and other countries histories have shown and benefits everyone, not just yourself.. "Elder Monson, we’ve watched you for 20 years, and we’ve learned we can trust you and your Church because you and your Church teach your members to obey the laws of the land.’” (emphasis added) cited in Examples of Great Teachers,” Liahona, June 2007, 74–80, "the fact that the vast majority of illegal aliens commit multiple job-related felonies, including document/Social Security fraud, perjury on I-9 forms, and, in many cases, identity theft that victimizes an estimated 50,000 Utah children and their families. cited in "Illegal, but Not Undocumented: Identity Theft, Document Fraud and Illegal Employment,” Ronald Mortensen, PhD. I personally have known someone who had their identity stolen. He worked in Washington state and the thief worked in Florida. He could not buy a house, I believe, because his debt load was too great. And why was it too great, because the thief had racked up large charge card bills. If the thief would have defaulted, whom would the police go after? HIM. He had to fly to Florida and prove who he was and then the thief got arrested. I never knew what became of the house buying. The United States and the Church try to fix the problem by giving aid (money, job training, distance education, etc) (and yes I donate to these programs) to the home countries and the church members their. The home country church members need to change their local conditions just like we try to change ours. Obey the law. don't like it, change it. Change can be hard and long but has more lasting effects than running away from problems. So for a person to be a contributing member of society, pay taxes, ect. they have to have a SSN. That was the case in the example I cited above with the house. I have read the responses in another blog in 2011 on this issue but the responses seem to be fairly standard, one camp or the other. Two questions. 1. I wonder about my response to the other website. I don't believe I was critical or demeaning or offensive. The opening statement was a bit harsh, yet this is what I see time and again on issues that people disagree on and I am a bit peeved on the use of these tactics instead of a balanced look. Certainly you can have an agenda and promote your sites ideas, but you should be willing to have civil disagreements. People come to these sites to get knowledge to decide for themselves. If all they see are one sided opinions, how shocking will it be when they learn something different. Sites like this one and the other ones, should encourage open, frank debate. If you think the 12 didn't debate, look at George Q Cannon's journal. A real eye opener. I am probably not 100% right but then neither 100% wrong. If i am wrong in any of my sources, I apologize and will make corrections. 2. Should the illegal alien be able to get a temple recommend after the Bishop and Stake President have interviewed them and received revelation during the interview (they are entitled to that revelation) that they are not dealing honestly with their fellow man?
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