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  1. That seems odd because blacks have always been able to be baptized. There was never a ban on blacks joining the church, just on priesthood. Was the branch president just that clueless?
  2. I think the new program is wonderful. During the video, I just kept thinking about a few Young Men that we might have been able to keep with us had we been freed from the constraints of the Scouting program. Maybe they still would have left, but maybe not. It's really great that everything can be tailored to the needs of the youth. The youth were supposed to be planning things before, too, but I think the new program will facilitate it much better than in the past.
  3. This is a perfect example of what I'm referring to. Thank you.
  4. I haven't read through the whole thread, so maybe this has been covered. My experience is that God reveals general principles and not the intricate details of how things should be implemented. In this case, I believe that God revealed that precautions needed to be taken with baptizing children coming from households with parents in a same-sex marriage. The principle was to protect children from conflicts between family and church. The details of the best way to do this came from the leadership of the church (imperfect men). Hence the need for ongoing refinement of the policies. God has never revealed a step-by-step action plan to me in my life. What He has done is reveal a need to take action or make improvements and then leave the implementation up to me. When I get details of the implementation wrong, He has given me further light to make corrections. That doesn't mean there was no revelation to begin with. What it means is that revelation is not like getting an email detailing all the exact steps that should be taking and the exact wording that should be used. I suppose sometimes it can be, but I think that kind of revelation is rare.
  5. Just FYI, there's a little down arrow on the left side of the quote box that lets you collapse the quote (see the yellow area below). It makes scrolling through those long quotes much less tiresome.
  6. While I think this is true to some extent, I think most church leaders get worked up over it because the Lord has defined it as serious sin. It's typically not in the same league as overeating or Word of Wisdom issues. Of course, there are varying degrees of seriousness on a spectrum, with some transgressions being very minor. But having seen firsthand the devastating damage sexual sin can cause, I have a hard time sharing the currently popular world view that it's "just sex." Based on what I read in the scriptures, I don't believe the Lord sees it as "just sex", either.
  7. I haven't read every post, so maybe this has been mentioned, but the problem with the idea of not asking more detailed questions is that not everyone understands the words chastity, fornication and adultery the same way. Some people confess to fornication and it turns out it was just kissing with tongue or something. Other people say they went a little too far, but didn't break the law of chastity. When you clarify, it turns out they did everything except intercourse. It sounds nice to just ask "do you live the law of chastity?" and leave it at that, but the reality is that with youth and young adults and even some older adults, many will answer yes when they are completely unworthy and many worthy people will answer no, just based on a misunderstanding of basic terms like chastity, fornication, and adultery. What I found worked best was to ask what happened, but at the same time say, "Please do not give an explicit or graphic play-by-play description. I just need a general idea of what went on."
  8. Here in Europe, the cost is about 420 € if you're not in one of the participating stakes. Each participating stake covers a portion of the cost for participants, so that the youth or parents only have to pay 90 € out of pocket. That's about $105-$110 per youth. I assume the model is similar elsewhere, so I think it is probably significantly cheaper than EFY for the youth and their families.
  9. AfD so far hasn't managed to get any real power, but they're growing in popularity, which is concerning. The church is growing, albeit slowly. Most of the converts tend to be refugees and immigrants, but a good chunk of converts are regular Germans, as well. People do have a hard time understanding why we don't drink alcohol.
  10. I live in southern Germany. Nehor's assessment is on point. Racism is very much alive in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg. Not to mention that there is also no separation of church and state in Germany. The government collects a church tax if you're a member of a main denomination (Catholic or Evangelical, typically). Refugees and immigrants are viewed in much the same way as they are in Trump country. As an immigrant myself (American), I have experienced some of this, although to a much lesser extent because I'm white. Divorce rates are lower because people just don't care much about getting married in the first place. Businesses are closed on Sunday and holidays, not out of a sense of religious devotion, but because people don't want to work on those days and Germans are very resistant to changing the way things have always been done. Churches are very empty on Sundays, while the lakes and recreational areas are packed full. On the other hand, Germany does do much better in taking care of the poor. Every country in the world has things they do well and things they do poorly. Ideally, we would all just try to learn from each other and make the world a better place. But unfortunately, most people are more interested demonstrating their superiority and their own side winning than actually learning and improving.
  11. I see a couple problems with the idea of multiple Heavenly Fathers (or Mothers for that matter). We could not all be literal spirit brothers and sisters. We would be at best half- brothers/sisters, cousins, or even 5th or 6th or 8th cousins. Jesus would not be the first born of all spirit children and would only be a spiritual "Elder Brother" to some of the inhabitants of the earth. There would be multiple first-born children, at least spiritually speaking. I've seen nothing in the scriptures or the words of the prophets or anywhere else to make me think that there's more than one Father, at least as far as this earth goes. Besides, I've heard that once you get past the first 1,000 spiritual children, it doesn't get any harder after that. 😉
  12. I don't see anything wrong with what Elder Ballard was quoted as saying. The bolded part of the OP ( Church leaders don’t know where these practices began ) is not a direct quote based on the quotation marks. I'd be interested in what he actually said, rather than the journalist's summary. My mission was definitely big on the invitation to baptism by the second discussion, no exceptions. But my mission was off the rails in a lot of ways: baptizing someone every week was a "rule", pressure tactics were definitely encouraged, and baptismal success was equated with worthiness / righteousness. I don't think any of that came from the apostles, though. I'm pretty sure it all came from one particularly aggressive seventy in the area presidency at the time. None of my friends who were out at the same time had a similar experience.
  13. I was referring more to conditional friendship and love based on whether they come back to church or not. I think it's extremely counter-productive when people think the only reason you want to talk to or spend time with them is to have another conversion/reactivation notch in your belt. Sincere love doesn't drop someone if they don't want to hear about the church. I agree that we shouldn't be ashamed of or afraid to talk about the gospel. Especially when, as is often the case, it is the best solution to someone's problems.
  14. In my experience, those who cry the most loudly that no one ever tried to reach out or visit or rescue them were always those we had tried the hardest to help. As bishop, I would often hear that someone had complained to his/her neighbor/home/visiting teacher that no one ever came by or cared or offered to help. That was typically from people that we as a bishopric had visited fairly recently and had either not even let us in the door or told us that they wanted no contact. While some people definitely do slip through the cracks, and some leaders / members don't reach out the way they should, I'm inclined to take most of these types of stories with more than a grain of salt. That said, though, I agree that the best approach for everyone is to love them without any ulterior motives of reactivation, etc.
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