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  1. Tacenda, some important person, somewhere, at sometime, said, as I remember it, "I have had many worries in my life, most of which never happened." I find this is be true in my life.
  2. Tacenda, quite worrying about Alzheimers. Your mom's cousins, me and my siblings, four in their 80s, me 83, sister 85 and older brother who died at 85 have not had Alzheimers. Older brother did get dementia but that was more from a damaged head. I don't know about all your family's history but you could worry about it all your life and never get it.
  3. Thank you Smac, those references look good. It will take some time to go through them but I intend to read them all.
  4. I am thinking of descendance only, nothing to do with inheritance. Just the question of where and who are the Lamanites?
  5. I don't remember this issue being discussed recently. If it hasn't been beaten to death, what is the current feeling of the Lamanites in the South Seas. I vaguely remember, I think, Spenser W Kimball saying that the Lamanites were spread through the South Seas and all over the American Continent. But there is the DNA issue that doesn't seem to support that claim. I can see that it could be claimed that the DNA could have been diluted to almost none existence. Any comments? I don't follow these histories closely but am interested.
  6. Sunstoned was the original poster on this subject, I was just butting in. The only thing I know is from the web site: http://pre-prowhiskeymen.blogspot.com/2016/08/brigham-young-and-valley-tan-whiskey_18.html
  7. Do a search on Google for Brigham Young and Valley Tan you should find this for 1873: "Terming the Mormon leader Brigham Young a “whiskey man” might strike some as an absurdity, given the injunction against strong drink that has been a traditional teaching of the Church of the Latter Day Saints. The facts seem otherwise. For example, in 1873 at Young’s request the territorial legislature granted him the exclusive right to manufacture and distribute whiskey and other spiritous liquors in Utah. “Valley Tan” was the name of his principal brand. Young seems to have been of two minds on the subject of strong drink. Although indications are that he drank beer when polluted water was an issue, he is said never to have tasted whiskey. Brigham is recorded saying: “If I had the power, I would blow out the brains of every thief in the territory, and I despise the whiskey maker more than I do the thieves.” Strong words indeed from a religious leader and sometime distiller."
  8. Well said exactly. That would be very useful.
  9. I don't think so, since I think that would be so much more useful. There are many health issues that would be nice to be warned about. But I ignore the WofW anyway. I think I can find the most healthful diet on my own.
  10. I think I've forgotten how to post. Anyway I'm curious why President Nelson and the Church is so dedicated to banning coffee. President Nelson talked about being careful being near a coffee establishment. From the recent magazine, The Week: "Coffee: Forget the warnings about coffee's link to cardiovascular issues. A 2017 review of 400 studies determined that most people can safely drink up to 32 oz a day (sans sugar, of course). Coffee is, in fact, the average American's leading source of antioxidants." Seems to be fairly safe to me. Any comments?
  11. From Simon Southerton's article listed below: And no one claimed all native Americans came from Siberia. "Simon Southerton is a native Australian, geneticist, former LDS bishop, and author of the book “Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA and the Mormon Church.” Simon was a member of the LDS church for almost 30 years, serving a mission in Melbourne (1981-83), marrying in the New Zealand Temple in 1983, and serving in numerous church positions including four terms as Young Men President, a counselor in several bishoprics and branch presidencies, and finally as bishop. While serving as bishop Simon began studying Native American DNA which he expected to have Middle Eastern origins, given the primary Book of Mormon narrative and longstanding church teachings to this effect. Discovering instead that Native American DNA was almost 100% of Asiatic origin, this seriously challenged Simon’s belief that the Lamanites are the ancestors of the American Indians, and that the Book of Mormon is a historical document. Consequently, Simon resigned from his calling as bishop in 1998 and left the church soon thereafter." https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/simon-southerton-dna-lamanites-and-the-book-of-mormon/
  12. In other words the Lamanites no longer exist, through dilution or what ever, they are still gone. My claim is that most Native Americans are from Siberia. Native Americans don't have beards as do the Jewish blood line. ---- Ed Wasn't the Americas supposedly to be saved for the Book of Mormon people, not known of other nations. I don't remember the wording.
  13. I don't need to CFR, just do a search for "Origins of Native Americans" there are plenty of information if you look. All the sources I run across read of the Natives coming from Siberia, mostly.
  14. Seems the Lamanites don't exist either, their DNA tests claim that practically all the Native Americans came from the Siberia region.
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