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  1. From Simon Southerton's article listed below: And no one claimed all native Americans came from Siberia. "Simon Southerton is a native Australian, geneticist, former LDS bishop, and author of the book “Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA and the Mormon Church.” Simon was a member of the LDS church for almost 30 years, serving a mission in Melbourne (1981-83), marrying in the New Zealand Temple in 1983, and serving in numerous church positions including four terms as Young Men President, a counselor in several bishoprics and branch presidencies, and finally as bishop. While serving as bishop Simon began studying Native American DNA which he expected to have Middle Eastern origins, given the primary Book of Mormon narrative and longstanding church teachings to this effect. Discovering instead that Native American DNA was almost 100% of Asiatic origin, this seriously challenged Simon’s belief that the Lamanites are the ancestors of the American Indians, and that the Book of Mormon is a historical document. Consequently, Simon resigned from his calling as bishop in 1998 and left the church soon thereafter." https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/simon-southerton-dna-lamanites-and-the-book-of-mormon/
  2. In other words the Lamanites no longer exist, through dilution or what ever, they are still gone. My claim is that most Native Americans are from Siberia. Native Americans don't have beards as do the Jewish blood line. ---- Ed Wasn't the Americas supposedly to be saved for the Book of Mormon people, not known of other nations. I don't remember the wording.
  3. I don't need to CFR, just do a search for "Origins of Native Americans" there are plenty of information if you look. All the sources I run across read of the Natives coming from Siberia, mostly.
  4. Seems the Lamanites don't exist either, their DNA tests claim that practically all the Native Americans came from the Siberia region.
  5. This discussion has been interesting to me, all the ideas mentioned. I have another question, I remember it stated somewhere, maybe in the Journals of Discourse or the Doctrine and Covenants by Joseph Smith that this earth would be made into the Celestial Kingdom, that it would (this is vague) be like a glass ball surface. Does anyone know where that is stated?
  6. Good to read from you. It'S been a long time. I'm still around.
  7. OK, we don't get our own planet, but we could have worlds to govern with just our own off offspring.
  8. The own Planet teaching may have not been in the scriptures but it was hinted at enough to give member the idea of their own planet. My faithful LDS family certainly believed in the leading brothren: Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.48: The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.
  9. I think the church website with the question answers has been taken down, I can't find it now.
  10. Years ago on this board the subject of becoming Gods was discussed. The church website with an answer and question site at that time said No, the church does not teach that. The Doctrine and Covenants does claim that it is an option for the worthy, and your own planets etc. So which is it now. I think D&C 132- 19 covers it.
  11. From my reading of history, the coffee, tea, tobacco thing was not dictator by revelation, it was an issue that was brought up in conference and voted on by the people that decided that to go to the temple the people had to be free of those things. Seems this was back in about Wilford Woodruffs? day. Does anyone have conflicting evidence, I would like to know. s
  12. Thank you, no wonder I've always been confused about the name.
  13. I always understood that the church claimed that Jehovah was Jesus Christ. Is that correct or is the God over everything Jehovah according to church claims and Jesus is his son.
  14. I'm curious about the beliefs or church statements of what happens to the fetus of an abortion or miscarriage. The baby doesn't survive to live on Earth which is the whole purpose of being born so what happens to the spirit if there is one? Is the spirit then directed to another mother or just never exists? Anyone have a answer to that?
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