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  1. Interesting point. But the better interpretation is that the brethren - not members - pushed for a foolish policy and the Lord let them see the consequence.
  2. As support for my view, consider this guidance from a recent FP letter regarding changes to temple policies: "Mothers with dependent children and brethren serving in certain callings may now serve as ordinance workers. Members should review their circumstances and avoid placing undue burdens on themselves and their families as they consider these service opportunities." https://bycommonconsent.com/2019/03/01/women-with-minor-children-can-now-serve-as-temple-ordinance-workers/ (emphasis mine) It is members who decide whether the burden is appropriate. Not a bishop or apostle.
  3. You take that counsel in good faith and recognize the limits of our church leaders' authority. Apostles, just like Bishops, have limited authority. They are to govern the church, but not our lives or our families. If they claim to receive revelation for what's best for your family, they overstep their bounds the same as if a young man tells a young woman he received revelation for her to marry him.
  4. Took me a while to realize this. The bishop has keys of revelation for how to guide the ward. You have keys of revelation for how to guide your life (and family if that applies). Both revelations need to happen for a calling to work well. sometimes they conflict. Just as it is inappropriate for a member to step into the bishops role, it is inappropriate for a bishop to take over a members role and claim he has revelation that a certain calling is the lords will for them.
  5. My son just got his mission call. Standard 24-month assignment. California Los Angeles Spanish speaking. He’s very excited As to the present topic, once his papers were submitted the rumors started pouring in from friends that “I heard the calls don’t list a length of service but say to listen to conference.” I told him to ignore the rumors but was surprised has wide-spread they were. These things take a life of their own.
  6. /snark on Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when the racially-based priesthood and temple restrictions can be restored to their proper order. We old line stalwarts know that the church had to cave to the pervasive equality movement. If we did not conceal the truths about the curse of cain and pre-existence choices, Satan would thwart out ability to proselytize, provide university-level education to our youth, and maybe even compromise our protected tax status. I believe that in some future day, when the saints are less carnally minded and less influenced by the wisdom of Babylon, the Lord will restore much, if not all, of the proper restrictions between the races that have been taken away. /snark off
  7. Thank you. I’m so happy to hear the sealing is being made equal as well.
  8. I agree with most all of this, up to the inference that the change of covenant wording was to accommodate social movements. I know many good couples (mostly older) who, like you, took the heartening language very seriously and worked to build a beautiful and successful marriage. Is your heart open to the possibility that a marriage of the same worth can be built through covenants where neither person presides over the other? This change need not be a rejection of your sacrifice and success. I certainly don’t see it that way.
  9. Yeah, he predicated a shorting of the ceremony. Other predictions included no more garments outside the temple and the SL temple shut down for renovations. Those are not currently on the table but, after today's news, who the heck knows anymore.
  10. I just thought of something else. F/T is going to be awesome ... and weird ... this Sunday. People crying and testifying about something that is really a huge deal (on par with the 1978 revelation), but also something they can't discuss with any detail. Kids and teenagers confused out the wazzoo. No one has any certainty of where the line is. Big props to you all you bishopric members out there who have to protect the podium. And to missionaries who bring investigators to church and try to answer their questions when you haven't been through the new ceremony and likely know nothing about the changes.
  11. Me too. This is pure speculation, but perhaps the new video is merely a placeholder so that the substantive changes can be made now, but that new dramatizations will eventually be made. They take a lot of time to make and Pres. Nelson doesn't seem to be one to wait around.
  12. SL Tribune and Herald have articles. Not a lot of details but there's obviously been some big changes. What a great day. https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/01/02/lds-church-releases/ https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/faith/lds-church-reportedly-makes-adjustments-to-temple-endowment-ceremony/article_214f082e-0686-5418-a73d-982c0485cbf1.html
  13. Perhaps (although confirmation and ordination of MP holders would also apply). But what about temple prep classes and the church's online instructions regarding temple clothing, garments, etc? On the face of this statement, all a member could say is that we do ordinances call "initiatory, endownment, and sealing" but we can't tell you anything about them. How do the ordinances bring us closer to Christ or unite us as families? Can't discuss it now. What's a celestial room? Another good question, but I can't tell you anything. Its just unworkable.
  14. The key statement is below. Very puzzling. Every time my ward's youth do baptisms I meet with them to discuss the ordinances they'll perform. Because of changes last year, I meet with the Priest's Quorum for a significant discussion of how baptisms are to be performed, witnesses, and other things they'll encounter as they perform those ordinances. That seemed entirely appropriate (and necessary) to me. Still does. "A dedicated temple is the most holy of any place of worship on the earth. Its ordinances are sacred and are not discussed outside a holy temple."
  15. Here's the DN write up. Interesting that they are allowing comments to the story. I'd hate to be the guy that has to police those comments. Scott, don't draw the short straw ! https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900048809/first-presidency-of-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-issues-statement-on-mormon-temples.html
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