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  1. Not really. I am not asking him to take as a "given" that Mormonism is the "one true Church". What I am claiming as a "given" is that Mormonism is the only and unique claim to a Restoration. There is no such thing as a "restoration movement" of which Mormonism happens to be a "part". It is unique and stands alone in making such a claim. That is what I am proposing as a "given". There no other church that claimed a Restoration before Mormonism such as Mormonism has done; and all other churches who have made such claims after it have been copycats or apostate offshoots of the same. That is the "given" basis on which I am prepared to discuss what he was proposing to discuss.
  2. I think I already explained that. If you read all of my previous posts, including those I have written in response to calmoriah, it should answer to your question.
  3. From my point of view, there is no such thing as "restoration movement," or even "restoration thinking". There is one and only one Restoration Reality, and that is Mormonism. It is only after that Restoration Reality had taken place that others jumped on the bandwagon, and created what has been misnamed "restoration movement," or "restoration thinking". We need to get that right first. Mormonism is not "part" of a "restoration movement". It is the one and only Restoration Reality. That is the right place to start. I think you are starting off on the wrong note by calling it a "restoration thinking;" or as some people have called it, "restoration movement". Mormonism is part of neither. It is unique and stands alone from any such "movement" or "thinking". It is the one and only Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ on earth. Once we get that into proper perspective, you are welcome to discuss your point, whatever that is.
  4. The power of peer pressure and opinion. They wouldn't do it if they felt that their actions were highly disapproved of by mainstream Evangelicalism. At the very least, the mainstream would be making it clear that they do not represent their beliefs. Silence is a sign of agreement. The fact that they say nothing implies that they approve of their actions.
  5. Yes; but what they do has the approval of the rest of the movement. If the mainstream disapproved of their actions, they wouldn't do it.
  6. He is a rare exception---and much derided by the rest. I was talking about the rule, not the exceptions.
  7. I am sure it is better to believe as an Evangelical than to not believe at all; other than that I believe in what Jacob has written: Jacob 5: 30 And it came to pass that the Lord of the vineyard and the servant went down into the vineyard; and they came to the tree whose natural branches had been broken off, and the wild branches had been grafted in; and behold all sorts of fruit did cumber the tree. 31 And it came to pass that the Lord of the vineyard did taste of the fruit, every sort according to its number. And the Lord of the vineyard said: Behold, this long time have we nourished this tree, and I have laid up unto myself against the season much fruit. 32 But behold, this time it hath brought forth much fruit, and there is none of it which is good. And behold, there are all kinds of bad fruit; and it profiteth me nothing, notwithstanding all our labor; and now it grieveth me that I should lose this tree.
  8. Who are those people then who on the Internet and other media oppose and wage war not just against Mormonism, but against practically everything else that is not Evangelicalism, including Catholicism, JWs, Christian Science etc. Who are the "counter-cult" movements like CARM etc. who spread this kind of hate-mongering? Who are the "street preachers" who come to Salt Lake City at conference times carrying hateful signs calling Mormons names, pulling the Book of Mormon on a string along the street etc.? They are all from the "Evangelical" movement. How many times have you seen or heard Evangelical pastors and ministers (who berate Mormonism and other faiths from the pulpit) say a word disapproving of those kinds of behaviours and practices? I know not of any. This is not and never has been the Christian faith. Christianity preaches the gospel and lives at peace with its neighbours. It doesn't preach hatred against any other faith.
  9. I have read that, and it is still not clear to me what your "theory" is. In fact, I have not been able to ascertain it clearly from anything that you have written in this thread so far. Either you don't know yourself clearly what it is, or you don't want other people to know, or you are not very good at explaining it.
  10. Do you mean inactives or no-longer-believing? Inactives still believe. True non-believers don't remain members for very long. But to keep matters in perspective, you would have to do the same with Catholicism and Protestantism; and I think they would be worse off than we would be if their inactives were discounted.
  11. Yes, but where are they coming from? The population of the US is not rising that fast. Even if it did, why are they not adopting Protestantism as their forefathers did, instead of just becoming irreligious?
  12. I had said in another thread that Evangelicalism was in decline, and some of our friends had questioned that; here is the proof. The sad part of it is that those who become disillusioned with Evangelicalism seem to abandon religion altogether, and simply become irreligious. The causes of disillusionment with Evangelicalism is another interesting question worth exploring. I think it has lost its capacity (if it ever had any) to "feed the sheep". It has become a hate-mongering anti-religion rather than one of teaching and promoting the gospel of Jesus Christ. It spends more time tearing down other people's religions than teaching gospel truths. Sooner or later people will cotton on to it that there is no substance to such a religion, and will be disillusioned. I don't think this is what Jesus had in mind when He said, "feed my sheep". The purpose of true religion is to give people something to hope for, live for, and look forward to; not something to fight against. Neither Jesus nor His Apostles spent their time tearing down other people's religions.
  13. I thought you had been here long enough to know better.
  14. http://www.bbc.co.uk...anada-19892837# It proves that Protestantism (especially Evangelicalism) in the US is in decline; whereas Mormonism is on the rise.
  15. Sometimes children become enthusiastic about wanting to come to the pulpit and bear their testimonies (especially when they see other children or their playmates do it), and parents feel obliged to accommodate them. And if they don't have the self-confidence to do it on their own, their parents may prompt them what to say. Sometimes they may be prompted by their older siblings what to say. It is simply a way to accommodate the wishes of the child, rather than an exercise in indoctrination.