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  1. Stopping one on one interviews will not protect children. It will only protect the adults. It is security theater that makes people feel like they are preventing things when in fact they are not preventing. If there is a bad man who has been called as a bishop, then he can do bad things without the one on one interviews. One on one interviews do not give bad bishops any more or less access to their victims.
  2. I agree with you. I just don't see why you focus so much on questions around LoC and masturbatory habits. All questions in that situation are influenced by the additional power. Any question in that situation can be used to influence/groom/etc the child if the adult wanted to do that. Any question could also be considered abuse, depending on the child. I hated being asked social, family, etc questions in one-on-one interviews. They were torture to me. But I couldn't say no or stop it because it was required of me. Even now, I hate going to one-on-one interviews because of those questions.
  3. I'm serious. A groomer can use questions that are not sexual in nature to groom the child. If the adult isn't a groomer, then the questions are not being done with grooming intention and any question would be ok (sexual, social, etc). Luckily, not all people are groomers. But since we can't tell if a person is a groomer or not, then we should not allow adults to ask or answer any question in a one-on-one interview because IF the adult is a groomer, they can use those questions and answers to groom the child. Just saying that we should stop sexual questions because of a fear of grooming is not enough. If you really fear grooming, then you should stop all questions and answers in a one-on-one situation.
  4. But aren't we trying to protect children from groomers? If we allow adults to be able to ask any questions (especially in a private one-on-one setting like Bishop's interviews) and that adult is a groomer, then the adult will be able to groom the child. Sexual questions are just as bad as social questions when the person asking is a groomer. If the person isn't a groomer, then sexual questions are no worse than a social question.
  5. Since grooming can be done by asking about social life, school life, family life, alcohol/drug usage, etc, the adult really shouldn't ask any question. Otherwise, the adult could be grooming the child. And answering any questions from the child could also be grooming as well so I'm not sure if the adult can do anything that wouldn't be considered grooming.
  6. I was in a ward where the men didn't lift the baby after the blessing. Instead, the baby was taken back to his/her mother and then who ever was conducting the meeting would have her stand up and show off her baby.
  7. The quote from Brigham Young about giving them flour isn't about killing them. It is about civilizing the tribes so that they will be "friends". Killing the tribes would be expensive and painful while giving them flour and civilizing would allow both sets of people to live together. The rest of the quotes are mostly about the Battle of Fort Utah, which is like most battles and involves a lot of mistaken assumptions and death. Should that battle of happened? Probably not. But the settlers picked the wrong part of the valley to settle, then mistreatment and misunderstanding happened on both sides, and finally an actual battle happened. And unfortunately for the tribes, the settlers had better weapons. This is what unfortunately happened across the west as settlers invaded tribal lands. The quote about the laced flour is from only one person and may have happened but it likely was an extremely isolated incident. It also probably wouldn't have killed anyone because lacing food with glass just doesn't work - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ground-glass-deadly/
  8. A handcart company would typically include wagons as part of it but not a full wagon train. The Willie handcart company had 5 wagons (https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/overlandtravel/companies/319/james-g-willie-company) and the Martin handcart company had 8 wagons (https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/overlandtravel/companies/192/edward-martin-company). The first three handcart companies had 3, 2, and none (https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/overlandtravel/companies/111/edmund-ellsworth-company, https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/overlandtravel/companies/195/daniel-d-mc-arthur-company, https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/overlandtravel/companies/80/edward-bunker-company). The Hunt and Hodgetts were entirely separate trains and were not part of the Willie and Martin companies. The Hunt train had 56 wagons and ~300 people (https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/overlandtravel/companies/174/john-a-hunt-company) while the Hodgetts train had 33 wagons and ~130 people (https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/overlandtravel/companies/148/william-b-hodgetts-company). They didn't travel together until near the end when everyone was needing to be rescued.
  9. There were actually two ox cart companies that went with the Martin and Willie handcart companies. They were the Hunt and Hodgetts. And as mentioned earlier, they had a higher mortality rate than the normal ox cart companies.
  10. The Hunt and Hodgetts wagon train that were with the Martin and Willie handcart companies also had a high death toll but not as bad as the handcart companies: 23 out of 271 - 8.5% 11 out of 163 - 6.7%
  11. Those numbers include not just the crossing of the plains, but also deaths at the staging areas (like Winter Quarters) and travel to the staging areas (like crossing the Atlantic or travel from the eastern ports to the staging areas).
  12. I'm not Scott but according to https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/mortality-mormon-trail-1847-1868, the mortality rate of the white US population was approximately 2.5% to 2.9% while the mortality rate of the the pioneers from 1847 through 1868 was 3.4%. It also says that the "the overall mortality rate on the Oregon-California Trail was 6 percent of those starting west" but mentions that the 6% is probably on the higher side and that trail is 700 miles longer than the Mormon trail. The site also says: So it looks like the pioneers had a high mortality rate than the rest of the white US population but it might have been comparable with the Oregon-California Trail mortality.
  13. I'd probably say that the Mormon pioneers were actually invaders and not illegal immigrants. They helped with the Mormon Battalion (which was for conquering Mexico) and probably would have not accepted Mexican rule when they were in Utah.
  14. He wasn't sentenced as a minor. He was 20 when he was sentenced. All of his criminal activities were as a minor, though. His Utah sex offender listing is at http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=6624865&AgencyID=54438 If you go to the original mormon leaks page, you'll find links to several court documents. The one with all of the details about the confession to his Mission President and the disciplinary council are in the "Affidavit for Search Warrant" starting at page 17.
  15. It is also pretty clear that that statement has no factor in this case. We are talking about the perpetrator, not the victim. If the victim had come to the Bishop, then it should be reported to the police because there is no clergy privilege. You only have clergy privilege if you are the perpetrator.
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